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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 10:42 AM
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you'd really consider it? I have a hard time swallowing 35k for a fwd car no matter how fast its 'ring times are... for that kinda money buy an integra, swap in a k24, get some badass dampers and you'll be faster and have money left over for a daily
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
you'd really consider it? I have a hard time swallowing 35k for a fwd car no matter how fast its 'ring times are... for that kinda money buy an integra, swap in a k24, get some badass dampers and you'll be faster and have money left over for a daily
Some people want to buy a modern car that's ready to go, with warranty, passes smog, etc etc. Not everyone is as crazy as we are and willing to do/sacrifice anything for performance.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 11:08 AM
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then you know, not fwd for 35k...
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 11:31 AM
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I would absolutely consider a new CTR coupe if they make one. I would probably have to sell one of my cars to make room though. But don't worry, there will always be at least 1 evo in my garage.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 11:38 AM
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Well its nearly 7s faster around the ring than the last generation, so all the 'little' things do add up. If they make a Type R coupe I might consider it, but I am not a fan of the 5 door's styling. Now something like this I could get behind
The four door is stiffer than the coupe.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
The four door is stiffer than the coupe.
But its ugly. If they made a coupe CTR, I suspect it would get the same treatment as the 4 door.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 11:59 AM
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But its ugly. If they made a coupe CTR, I suspect it would get the same treatment as the 4 door.
I thought that I had read that the 4 door was built with more high strength steel too.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 12:14 PM
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Do you have a link to where it talks about the 4 door being stiffer and with different steel? I would have suspected the extra 'stiffness' would have come from extra chassis bracing.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
then you know, not fwd for 35k...
Looking at the pricing of current cars, I don't think it's all that bad, considering it's performance, history, and potential. The more I read, the more I'm realizing I'd think about it. I don't care which wheels drive the thing if it's that fast. I take back the posts I made earlier regarding not considering a CTR based on it being FWD.

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I thought that I had read that the 4 door was built with more high strength steel too.
Honda sedans used to be a lot more rigid than coupes. I was once looking to build a four-door integra as a track car but then I ended up buying a DC2R instead. With the seam welding and other bracing, it was far stiffer than a sedan.
I'm sure a Type-R version would be at least as solid, if not more, than a sedan.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Do you have a link to where it talks about the 4 door being stiffer and with different steel? I would have suspected the extra 'stiffness' would have come from extra chassis bracing.
Not what I read before but:

https://www.einpresswire.com/article...y-and-exterior


compare to:

http://www.repairerdrivennews.com/20...trength-steel/
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 01:42 PM
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The way I read it, is all of the 10th gen civics are using the high strength steel. But the type R gets: "The additional use of structural adhesive adds rigidity for the Type R's performance driving mission, while the intensive body sealing measures and flush-mounted acoustic windshield glass contribute to the Type R's track-ready yet street-civilized driving character."

Like I said, it should be easy enough for Honda to add the extra structural rigidity (i.e., adhesives) to the coupe, should they decide to make a coupe Type R.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
The way I read it, is all of the 10th gen civics are using the high strength steel. But the type R gets: "The additional use of structural adhesive adds rigidity for the Type R's performance driving mission, while the intensive body sealing measures and flush-mounted acoustic windshield glass contribute to the Type R's track-ready yet street-civilized driving character."

Like I said, it should be easy enough for Honda to add the extra structural rigidity (i.e., adhesives) to the coupe, should they decide to make a coupe Type R.
The Type-R has twice the amount of the ultra-high strength steel as compared to the typical civic.

Making those changes would make a coupe stiffer. But it'll always be on a lower level, given the same changes, as a 4 door with smaller openings.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
The Type-R has twice the amount of the ultra-high strength steel as compared to the typical civic.
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Making those changes would make a coupe stiffer. But it'll always be on a lower level, given the same changes, as a 4 door with smaller openings.
What is 'on a lower level'? Are you saying 4 doors are inherently more stiff than coupes? Is there literature out there that supports that?

I wonder why almost all serious sports cars only have 2 doors.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
The four door is stiffer than the coupe.
this has been a thing in the past with integras because the 2 doors have hatch's instead of trunks leaving a huge hole in the chassis. where as the 4 doors have conventional trunks and therefore smaller openings/more material/built in cross bracing.

generally speaking there's no advantage in chassis stiffness in a 2 door vs a 4 door. maybe if you have a 2 door with giant door openings and then the 4 door has 4 doors squeezed in roughly the same same openings but adds the b-pillar...
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 02:10 PM
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I thought sedans are always stiffer due to b pillar?
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