??? what? if your point is, it'd be faster as rwd or awd, probably true. that's why there's a distinction that this is the fastest fwd time. doesn't mean all rwd cars or all awd cars beat all fwd cars. You set a fwd car loose enough and it can do anything.

It's not a "physical limitation" that it uses front wheels for steering, braking, and accelerating (as opposed to just steering and braking?).. that's just a quaint saying.
it doesn't even mean the car will understeer more, all depends on suspension set up. set the car up to be loose on entry, and fwd cars straighten themselves right out on acceleration as the weight shifts back.

a lot of weight on the front is more a limitation than anything. Hard braking with most of the weight on the fronts cook the tires more than accelerating does. didn't look like the car struggled to put power down. on a high speed course like the ring you're not really going to encounter torque steer, esp if you have a good LSD. In autox, different story.

re: pads - would be surprised if they used stock pads for a ring run on this car. no stock pad is built to take that heat level

 

I'm going to throw this out there, food for thought, from my experience.
I'm sure some of you know this info.

1) Track driving is all about brake pad temperature. If you can manage the heat a street pad vs a track pad can still provide good mu levels. There are a lot of different scenarios for friction, if you looking for more info, inquire and I'll drop some knowledge on ya.

2) The euro civic type R which this American CTR is based from, OEM friction supplier is Ferodo. They make high performance frictions right?

3) The NR isn't a track which is very hard on the brakes. Its large, high speed, sections between braking zones is large.. great scenario for brake cooling. CTR obviously has dedicated cooling ducts.

4) The CTR weighs roughly 3000lbs, the front disk is 350x32. That is a massive front disk for the weight of this vehicle. Disks this large are typically 11.5kgs


I'm just providing information from a different perspective.
My assumption is Honda is managing the friction temps with a massive FR disk and cooling ducts, so they can use a high performance street friction suitable for market on the track.

The NSX for instance (I know laugh for comparison) goes from show room, to street, to track on the same friction. Honda made it very clear they made a car for the street, not the track and it has some of the best off the shelf brakes in the segment. (even though rear pad wear rate maybe a slight issue on track )

 

I don't know man, even with long straight, running a sub 8 at the 'ring is gonna put a lot of load on the brakes.

I suppose its possible, but like I said before, I doubt it...

 

Yeah, I am thinking of what it would be like to be the driver if the factory rep says, "We think it would be cool to run the course on the OEM brakes." Time to ask for a pay increase.

 

The type R killed it with the looks, but with the weight and projected price, along with the FWD and power, I think I could find a much better way to spend my money until the used price seriously drops, which will most likely take many years based on the reliability and the reputation of Hondas to hold their value so well. Regardless, I'm sure the car will live up to the expectations of being one hell of an off-the-line track car in Honda's first turbo production car. I wonder how linear the boost will be.

 

Did you read any of the thread before you decided to try to inflate your post count? The Type R is reasonably light, and much more than an "off-the-line track car".

 

Hopefully Vorshlag will get a project CTR and chronicle its pros/cons. Their write-ups usually cut through the hype.

 

+1 I love vorshlag's write-ups - especially when it inflames the fanbois

 

that'd be cool and all but I don't see it happening. I don't ever remember seeing them do anything with a FWD car

 

they have developed a lot of products for the GTI, though not as popular I'm sure as some of their other products. it would be silly of them to ignore a potentially huge market underpinning the civic, civic si, and type r. would be odd of them to ignore that group.

 

according to their website, they only have camber plates for the GTI. is there other stuff thats not listed? although I will admit I didn't they did anything at all for the GTI till you mentioned it. Do / did they have a GTI project car at any point?

market for the civic is huge, but its also very saturated. Especially in the suspension department, which is Vorshlag's specialty. pretty sure there are more different brand coilovers for civic's than any other part.

I mean don't get me wrong, I think it'd be awesome to see what Vorshlag can do with one of these and I'd love to see it. I just don't really see it happening...

 

oh I'm not sure on that - just thought it would be odd of them to ignore that market in general, but a good point on saturation... and I guess jdm/tuner people don't really think of vorshlag when they're thinking of their suspension tuning... we'll see I guess

 

I am pretty sure a customer offered up his Focus RS to Vorshlag for them to tear down and develop parts for. As long as there is 1 CTR owner out there interested in doing the same, I am sure they will take them up on it. At the very least they will make camber plates for it.

 

My first track car was a 2000 Integra Type R. I had an instructor with me the first HPDE I did. He kept trying to coach me around corners per typical FWD behavior.
"You're coming in too hot, you need to.... oh..."
"Come in a bit slower, your car is going to push.... hm.... "
".... This car doesn't handle like a regular FWD car".


It would rotate off throttle and pull itself straight on the gas, and suck like glue in a steady-state turn. What a great car.
It taught me that not all FWD cars behave the same.

 

i thought they gave up on it?