EVO to M3?
EVO to M3?
I was wondering, while eating this really good lunch,
If mitsubishi decide to create a vehicle, based on EVO, to compete with the M3 category what would they do differently with the EVo?
Do you think they'll keep the Turbo 4? Would there be Sequential F1 shifter? Air suspension? Navigation? On board Gypsy who could read your mind that controls the steering?
I was just thinking that.
If mitsubishi decide to create a vehicle, based on EVO, to compete with the M3 category what would they do differently with the EVo?
Do you think they'll keep the Turbo 4? Would there be Sequential F1 shifter? Air suspension? Navigation? On board Gypsy who could read your mind that controls the steering?
I was just thinking that.
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Dude, the EVO is a much better platform than the M3...I have driven an early model M3...like 98-01 and it was a POS!! I was totally dissapointed. And it was in perfect condition, my ex-boss' current car...It was pokey off the line and was very bouncy around turns. Totally changed my perspective on BMW...I have always felt their cars are overrated, but I am sure of it now. Now, an M5....DDDDDDDRRRRRRROOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!
lol liquid lunch...
no, it's Green Beans, Cornbeef/potatoes cassarole, and spiced chicken breast. It's kicking my ***, it's so good.
I think M3 is much tighter than M5. M5 is quicker tho. But it's not really about going fast. I was just thinking what would be the next step in Evolution, if it decide to go step up in sophistma cation. Like autp ride control, Plug and diagnose checkups, convertible, ect.
Just wasting some time here people.
no, it's Green Beans, Cornbeef/potatoes cassarole, and spiced chicken breast. It's kicking my ***, it's so good.
I think M3 is much tighter than M5. M5 is quicker tho. But it's not really about going fast. I was just thinking what would be the next step in Evolution, if it decide to go step up in sophistma cation. Like autp ride control, Plug and diagnose checkups, convertible, ect.
Just wasting some time here people.
to be fair, the E-36 m3 is not really an m3, its a modified 325 (95) and modified 328 (96-00) they are not real m cars, a true m car features a handbuilt motor and all types of goodies, rather a washed down US version. I actually transplanted the euro 321bhp motor into my m3 back in the day (about 2 years ago) it was fun, but still not fast like my evo. the m3 really shines with coilovers and a track setup...but raw power is only found in the evo, unless you turbocharge the m3 (which costs about $11000...minus installation LOL)
I just ran with a bunch of M3's and other Beemers on the track with a customer's EVO. There were E36, E46, etc. All ranges; from 3 versions back to freshly leased. I'd stick with the EVO. 
M3 is a gentleman's sporty car. EVO is a street legal track car.
The M3's (even track ONLY cars) were great, but the EVO can eat them up through corners AND straights; mod for mod (power or suspension).
M3 is a gentleman's sporty car. EVO is a street legal track car.
The M3's (even track ONLY cars) were great, but the EVO can eat them up through corners AND straights; mod for mod (power or suspension).
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dont forget...while the m3 has 333flywheel hp, it only has like 268ft lbs...i drive them all the time (the current model) and they are anything but tire spinning monsters...you cant spin tires while moving unless your near redline. it doesnt have a ton of low end...just like a turbo car or smaller displacement engine. but i must give it credit...it sure does rev high. and that smg setup, with dsc off and bumped up to race mode with the shift light (stock) is AWESOMELY fun
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Originally Posted by plokivos
If mitsubishi decide to create a vehicle, based on EVO, to compete with the M3 category what would they do differently with the EVo?
1. Completely restyle and upscale the interior. Get nicer materials, automatic climate control, Homelink, trip computer, leather non-Recaro seats, better carpeting, etc. The target audience fo the M3 values luxury as much as performance.
2. A bigger motor. The turbo would stay, but a larger displacement would help with low-end torque, ala the STi.
3. More compliant suspension. The M3, as potent as it is, also doubles as a daily grocery-getting for the majority of its owners. Softening up the Evo's suspension a tad would trade-off some of its awesome handling, but it would appeal more to those whose sensibilities lean in the luxury direction.
I've had a lot of time driving both E36 and E46 M3s. They are impressive cars, indeed, and anyone who professes to like automobiles should respect them for the way they blend luxury with performance. It's easy to make a race car, and its easy to make a luxury car. But it's not easy to blend the two, and BMW does a very creditable job, balancing the trade-offs that inevitably have to be made.
That said, I still prefer my Evo over the M3. I prefer the driving position, the outward view, the all-wheel drive, and the respective lack of refinement. But that's just me, and I'm also happy to keep the $25,000 difference in my pocket.
But if someone were to give me an M3, I certainly wouldn't refuse!Lee K
I am fortunate enough to have both cars (2002 M3 and 2003 Evo) and i have to say that they are not, nor ever will be, competitors. From a performance standpoint, the Evo will run with an M3 to a point, but at higher speeds a stock M3 is far more stable and smoother than a stock Evo. On the other hand the Evo is far more fun to drive quickly around corners. The disparity becomes apparent in fit, finish and build quality. The Evo fells cheap and spartan whereas the M3 feels luxurious enough to drive cross-country. I do not drive the Evo on the highway or on any trip longer than an hour. It has too much NVH to be comfortable for extended periods.
I know that many of you will disagree and claim that the Evo is a superior vehicle, but it is not. It is superior in a few performance aspects but as a whole the M3 is a lock.
I know that many of you will disagree and claim that the Evo is a superior vehicle, but it is not. It is superior in a few performance aspects but as a whole the M3 is a lock.
Originally Posted by Lee_K
1. Completely restyle and upscale the interior. Get nicer materials, automatic climate control, Homelink, trip computer, leather non-Recaro seats, better carpeting, etc. The target audience fo the M3 values luxury as much as performance.
2. A bigger motor. The turbo would stay, but a larger displacement would help with low-end torque, ala the STi.
3. More compliant suspension. The M3, as potent as it is, also doubles as a daily grocery-getting for the majority of its owners. Softening up the Evo's suspension a tad would trade-off some of its awesome handling, but it would appeal more to those whose sensibilities lean in the luxury direction.
2. A bigger motor. The turbo would stay, but a larger displacement would help with low-end torque, ala the STi.
3. More compliant suspension. The M3, as potent as it is, also doubles as a daily grocery-getting for the majority of its owners. Softening up the Evo's suspension a tad would trade-off some of its awesome handling, but it would appeal more to those whose sensibilities lean in the luxury direction.
2. the USDM sti is mocked by the rest of the world because it does not comply with the 2.0 liter limit on the WRC... why would mitsu follow suit?
3. compliant suspension? if the evo kicks an m3's *** on the track, why lower it to m3 standard? bah go buy a g35 coupe..
without the amazing suspension and light weight, the evo would be degraded into a VR4 galant...
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Originally Posted by Lee_K
Well, I figure that they would:
1. Completely restyle and upscale the interior. Get nicer materials, automatic climate control, Homelink, trip computer, leather non-Recaro seats, better carpeting, etc. The target audience fo the M3 values luxury as much as performance.
2. A bigger motor. The turbo would stay, but a larger displacement would help with low-end torque, ala the STi.
3. More compliant suspension. The M3, as potent as it is, also doubles as a daily grocery-getting for the majority of its owners. Softening up the Evo's suspension a tad would trade-off some of its awesome handling, but it would appeal more to those whose sensibilities lean in the luxury direction.
I've had a lot of time driving both E36 and E46 M3s. They are impressive cars, indeed, and anyone who professes to like automobiles should respect them for the way they blend luxury with performance. It's easy to make a race car, and its easy to make a luxury car. But it's not easy to blend the two, and BMW does a very creditable job, balancing the trade-offs that inevitably have to be made.
That said, I still prefer my Evo over the M3. I prefer the driving position, the outward view, the all-wheel drive, and the respective lack of refinement. But that's just me, and I'm also happy to keep the $25,000 difference in my pocket. But if someone were to give me an M3, I certainly wouldn't refuse!
Lee K
1. Completely restyle and upscale the interior. Get nicer materials, automatic climate control, Homelink, trip computer, leather non-Recaro seats, better carpeting, etc. The target audience fo the M3 values luxury as much as performance.
2. A bigger motor. The turbo would stay, but a larger displacement would help with low-end torque, ala the STi.
3. More compliant suspension. The M3, as potent as it is, also doubles as a daily grocery-getting for the majority of its owners. Softening up the Evo's suspension a tad would trade-off some of its awesome handling, but it would appeal more to those whose sensibilities lean in the luxury direction.
I've had a lot of time driving both E36 and E46 M3s. They are impressive cars, indeed, and anyone who professes to like automobiles should respect them for the way they blend luxury with performance. It's easy to make a race car, and its easy to make a luxury car. But it's not easy to blend the two, and BMW does a very creditable job, balancing the trade-offs that inevitably have to be made.
That said, I still prefer my Evo over the M3. I prefer the driving position, the outward view, the all-wheel drive, and the respective lack of refinement. But that's just me, and I'm also happy to keep the $25,000 difference in my pocket.
But if someone were to give me an M3, I certainly wouldn't refuse!Lee K
dealers actually encouraging enthusiasts? 
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oh and bmw has the rep to sell a car for 50k, or even 500k... the mitsu can barely push a car 35k MSRP.... maybe mitsu needs to follow toyota, honda and nissan and make a secondary luxury brand for mitsubishi....
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Originally Posted by mifesto
2. the USDM sti is mocked by the rest of the world because it does not comply with the 2.0 liter limit on the WRC... why would mitsu follow suit?
