Colby, Tephra, EVO4Mad and the rest of the experts, take a look.
Colby, Tephra, EVO4Mad and the rest of the experts, take a look.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...as-anyone.html
That's a link to a thread posted here on EVOm. I just want to point it out to those of you who have put out an excellent product for a minimal charge or in even free.
My suggestion is, make the software you guys are using compatible with only YOUR cables, which I believe they may be already, no?
The thread pissed me off.
That's a link to a thread posted here on EVOm. I just want to point it out to those of you who have put out an excellent product for a minimal charge or in even free.
My suggestion is, make the software you guys are using compatible with only YOUR cables, which I believe they may be already, no?
The thread pissed me off.
Yeah I don't really think you can make a 1.3 or 2.0 cable much cheaper than what Colby/Hamish sell em for...
meh - whatcha going todo, always gonna be someone trying to do more for less.
it makes me laugh thou, $30k for a car, $50-100 a week in gas, god knows how much on mods and you can't afford $150 for a cable??
ps - David did you get my PM in Aug?
meh - whatcha going todo, always gonna be someone trying to do more for less.
it makes me laugh thou, $30k for a car, $50-100 a week in gas, god knows how much on mods and you can't afford $150 for a cable??
ps - David did you get my PM in Aug?
Crap I bought my 1.3 back in the day when they first hit the market. Best 100 I have ever spent.
Cable has done countless hours worth of tuning and logging on multiple cars. And saved me hundreds if not thousands in dyno time over the years. Its the link to my car still running after 120k miles.
Heck I'd buy 1 a year if I had to it's made it's money back 1000 fold at this point
Cable has done countless hours worth of tuning and logging on multiple cars. And saved me hundreds if not thousands in dyno time over the years. Its the link to my car still running after 120k miles.
Heck I'd buy 1 a year if I had to it's made it's money back 1000 fold at this point
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To make this a philosophical debate, to improve on the cost/efficiency/reliability of any technology is a plus for society as a whole. It's a more efficient use of resources. Patent law and "intellectual property" laws really hinder technological advancement, and simply being the first to market with a product does not mean you should be the sole benefactor of its use in society.
It should be emergent, ever-changing, ever-improving, becoming cheaper and easier to make, and more reliable and long-lasting.
Instead, we'd rather pin technologies on one person or company and allow them to squeeze society for every last drop, making products who's pillars are not the societal benefit, but the benefit of the expansion of their profits... that's why we have technology today with poor quality, planned obsolescence, and high prices.
Technological progress is somehow equated to consumers spending more money on it, when it actuality, progress should be how little we spend on it. If there's a way to make a cheaper, or more efficient, or more reliable anything in this world, it should be encouraged, not shot down.
www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
It should be emergent, ever-changing, ever-improving, becoming cheaper and easier to make, and more reliable and long-lasting.
Instead, we'd rather pin technologies on one person or company and allow them to squeeze society for every last drop, making products who's pillars are not the societal benefit, but the benefit of the expansion of their profits... that's why we have technology today with poor quality, planned obsolescence, and high prices.
Technological progress is somehow equated to consumers spending more money on it, when it actuality, progress should be how little we spend on it. If there's a way to make a cheaper, or more efficient, or more reliable anything in this world, it should be encouraged, not shot down.
www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
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I think he'll experience what most of us do when we think we can do something just as well for less.
To do something well, a one off piece will almost always cost you more then had you just bought it from somewhere else. That's the power of high volume manufacturing.
Some of us just keep doing our own thing because we find it enjoyable.
To do something well, a one off piece will almost always cost you more then had you just bought it from somewhere else. That's the power of high volume manufacturing.
Some of us just keep doing our own thing because we find it enjoyable.
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Excuse my french that that thread is ****ing stupid. I'm no expert but I knew from the day I purchased a intake I was going to be throwing money at this car. These guys kill me with cutting corners.....hope the OP on the other thread fries his/her ECU for being cheap. I can't afford to buy a cable right now so I will just sit and wait. Oh well to each his own
tephra, if I didn't respond to your PM I didn't get it. I have emptied my box since then and I can't go back and look. If there is ANYTHING you need from me, please send the PM again and I'll get on it ASAP. I truly appreciate what you do for everyone.
recompile, you are out of line, sorry. I agree with everthing you said BUT in this case, these guys are doing the programming and such so cheap or free already that to have someone want to take it a step further and make the cable free too is just rediculous.
recompile, you are out of line, sorry. I agree with everthing you said BUT in this case, these guys are doing the programming and such so cheap or free already that to have someone want to take it a step further and make the cable free too is just rediculous.
Also, the OP of that thread should be banned.
To make this a philosophical debate, to improve on the cost/efficiency/reliability of any technology is a plus for society as a whole. It's a more efficient use of resources. Patent law and "intellectual property" laws really hinder technological advancement, and simply being the first to market with a product does not mean you should be the sole benefactor of its use in society.
It should be emergent, ever-changing, ever-improving, becoming cheaper and easier to make, and more reliable and long-lasting.
Instead, we'd rather pin technologies on one person or company and allow them to squeeze society for every last drop, making products who's pillars are not the societal benefit, but the benefit of the expansion of their profits... that's why we have technology today with poor quality, planned obsolescence, and high prices.
Technological progress is somehow equated to consumers spending more money on it, when it actuality, progress should be how little we spend on it. If there's a way to make a cheaper, or more efficient, or more reliable anything in this world, it should be encouraged, not shot down.
It should be emergent, ever-changing, ever-improving, becoming cheaper and easier to make, and more reliable and long-lasting.
Instead, we'd rather pin technologies on one person or company and allow them to squeeze society for every last drop, making products who's pillars are not the societal benefit, but the benefit of the expansion of their profits... that's why we have technology today with poor quality, planned obsolescence, and high prices.
Technological progress is somehow equated to consumers spending more money on it, when it actuality, progress should be how little we spend on it. If there's a way to make a cheaper, or more efficient, or more reliable anything in this world, it should be encouraged, not shot down.
However, I also agree with Bushur that cutting cornes can be just as detrimental to society, and to the process of advancement.
Interesting read though.
I'm with Dave on this one. You can't even put a price tag on the Ecuflash forum and the knowledge base in there. I can't believe you still have people that complain. How about the countless free hours upon hours that these guys are dedicating to this community that most of the time they do for free and only sometimes asks for a donation.......a freakn donation!!!! I hope these people fry their ECUs as well.