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Max, I think you are an expert on posting about competing products on threads, complete with pictures no less last September. Your posts started on page 1, then you continued with pictures on page 2. About ethics?

 

BUSTED!!!

 

OK John, I've had enough of your taunting, and there is only so long that I can remain a pacifist.

Did I ever mention on your thread that I was selling them or that I could even make them available to the public? No. But you have multiple times on my thread, I did not cross any line, I was simply adding to the excitement of the post by getting people hot over expensive suspension for which I believe you should thank me for. You on the other hand have done quite the opposite, you have tried to downplay my product which I have had to defend in my own post, not only that but you have no supporting evidence of your claims, and furthermore continue to insult me as a person and as a businessman. Ethics are something I posses, if you unable to see the line between what you have done, and what I have done I would ask you to please return to school as you need more classes in "common sense".

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

Ha ha Max,

You're funny. Mark said:

"I still have not seen a JRZ setup set faster lap times than a DMS setup.... www.robispec.com"

g++ asked for "Mueller" to comment on the remote vs nonremote question:

Nov 9, 2005, 11:23 AM #93

right. well, that settles it. i'm gonna need some motons, too.

mueller? you out there?


So he did and added that the set-up is still a very important part. Then you said:

"Just as he said, although to pay the extra money for Moton dampers is not really worth it as they are the exact same product, just different colors, and I myself prefer red."

John said nothing bad about your JRZs when you posted on his thread. Then you inferred that color and cost are more important than a propper set-up.

Max, go take a nap. Go try to get some results, then maybe, maybe try to talk about being the ultra ethical, suspension selling business man.

JW

 

Ok, I hope to condense what I saw happening on this thread and what I think should be done.

I never felt that I attacked anyone, simply placed my opinion on the whole JRZ vs Moton argument, which I think now you know my stance on it. I never felt that attacked John's set up, or his product, and if he feels I did I am sorry; I felt that I mearly I stated that Moton's are more expensive for what has been seen to be the exact same product, and from what I've seen so far the only difference is color. In fact the only time I've heard they were different was from vendors, and when I hear they're the same it's from people like me who have run Motons and can tell no difference in quality, ride, or performance.

Also why don't Mark and John go start their own threads to start excitement over a product and I'll just come in and ask these kinds of things.

Mark- "How many times have DMS's been successfully campaigned in a high echelon of professional motorsports on a paved road course compared to say.......a JRZ or a Moton?"

and for John- "Why should people pay $1000+ for your setup compared to a JRZ when you cannot prove that they are at all different, with the Moton being superior"

And you say John was only trying to be helpful, maybe helpful to himself when he said

I hope that ends this.

Sorry for this whole episode people, and back to the regularly programmed schedule.

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

Anyways.........back on topic:

I spoke with JRZ yesterday regarding the release of the RS and RS PRO line of JRZs and I was told that pricing is almost finalized and that the RS and RS PRO will be shipped as complete kits from JRZ which will definately help on the cost. I hope to have pricing before the end of this month. I'll make sure to post here with any updates that I have on them.

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

Max, correct me if I'm mistaken, wasn't the 2 winning STI's in T2 at the Mid-Ohio Championship race on JRZ's? Phoenix prepared cars, I recall.

Dave

 

The ICY racing cars right? Yes, they use all JRZ suspension from what I remember. They run quite an interesting program as well, inner city youth racing, must be a fun way to keep kids off of the streets!

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

Ah, a voice from the local community supporting a local product. You need to really get out and pay attention to what the top teams in National and International road racing series championships are using. I'm certainly not degrading John at RRE or DMS, but let's put things in perspective. JRZ, Moton, Penske, all are examples of brands that support the majority of professional race teams. They don't just order one or two sets, they order dozens of sets, testing, changing, modifying. Separate league comes to mind.

It's not so often that a brand name shock manufacturer offers a shock package at an affordable cost. Considering all the the "junk" shocks that are offered for the US. Evo today, this should be viewed as a benefit for the average Evo enthusiast.

JRZ has already proven itself to be a successful race shock manufacturer.

FWIW, I have Moton's on my Evo so I'm not lobbying for JRZ. I'm interested in what Max/JRZ has to offer for the Evo community as a complete bolt-on package.

Dave

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I completely agree with everything you say. Like I said in previous posts, all these top manufacturers, JRZ, Moton, Penske, Ohlins, etc make amazing products, it just so happens I've tuned 4 sets of JRZ, and worked with Penskes so I felt most confident to go with what I know best for my car.

I promise to have more information in the coming weeks for all of you concerning the new JRZ set ups for the Evo and I hope it will be quite affordable for the average Evo track junky.

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

''let's put things in perspective. JRZ, Moton, Penske, all are examples of brands that support the majority of professional race teams. They don't just order one or two sets, they order dozens of sets, testing, changing, modifying. Separate league comes to mind.

It's not so often that a brand name shock manufacturer offers a shock package at an affordable cost. Considering all the the "junk" shocks that are offered for the US. Evo today, this should be viewed as a benefit for the average Evo enthusiast.''

Finally, someone understands. You are forgetting to list OHLINS, SACHS, and DMS on your list. ALL of our companies have won manufactures titles with FACTORY teams across the world. That reflects in the pricing of a quality shock absorber.

I agree with John, that the fastest cars not only have good parts, but the setup is what counts. I am sure that John will agree with me when I say, start with a bad part, it is not easy to get a good setup... not impossible, but not easy.

mark

 

I forgot, someone posted a dyno chart before showing independant rebound ??? Explain to me how an adjustement that is supposed to be independant changes the compression stroke ??

I will admit, that is by far not the worst curves I have seen, granted the shock works, but independant adjustments for compression and rebound it is not.

 

To show the differences in HP/tires and setup (aka development time) last weekend at the NASA event

Fast time of the weekend Dieter's DMS stock turbo EVO @ a 2:02.3xxx on 285x18 hoosiers(full track with the star mazda and the bus stop CCW)
My car on TOYO 255x17 "GG" R888's (ra1 compound) DMS and big turbo = 2:03.3xxx
Stock 05 RS 235 ra1's Tein Flex 2:16.1xxx
Me in Max's car 2:08.xxx
Max in Max's car 2:11.xxx (he had more traffic, less WHP and was running in a slower group)
So thet kick cheap coils but and need more track time and testing to come up to the 16 months of testing/racing level we have on the DMS set-ups.

 

Don't forget to mention that my car is 400-500 lbs heavier than your car and dieters, and has 100 less HP at least

I had lots of fun, hope you did too.

Regards,
Max Cudich

 

Nobody that I know of has accomplished 0 crosstalk between compression and rebound, and if they say that they have, then theyre lying


Here are some shock dynos from a protrac shock, not exactly sure for what car, but the design is fundamentaly the same as a JRZ.

Heres low speed compression



High speed compression



And rebound



-Max