How much power is enough for an Track evo 9?

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Dec 9, 2009 | 01:16 PM
  #46  
Quote: +1

Been following; figure I'd share my thoughts. My current ~310whp and 3200lbs seems really fast to me! I've had the car with more whp in the past, but that's back when it weight near 3500 lbs as well.

An easier and cheaper route - weight reduction....
I am at 3400 with me, how did you drop 200lbs? hahaha granted I am full weight..
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Dec 9, 2009 | 08:33 PM
  #47  
Quote: For me IMHO anything beyond 400whp warrants a cage and a BBK. The stockers dont have enough in them to bleed off the speed that these cars build at that power level consistently.
And at that level you need good tires, good cooling, and great suspension and chassis setup..
Quote: At 323 WHP, I have enough horsepower in my 3500 pound pig to pass 90% of cars in most advanced run groups with the exception of a handful of Z06s, well driven GT3s, and a number of other near-supercars that I have no business even keeping up with.

Plus, I don't have to deal with the heat and reliability issues that arise with larger turbochargers.
I feel the same way.
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Dec 9, 2009 | 09:58 PM
  #48  
Quote: Hopefully your Red continues to work well and dominate - they make great power with unbeatable spool-up. o-town-fla's Red was Gen 2 with the oilfeed kit I believe.
I had all mentioned installed by a professional Evo shop and still had a failure 4 months down the road.

More or less a defect then an oil problem, as my turbine blade broke off causing the seizure. Maybe due from the crazy heat cycles I was experiencing. I was traveling 160mph on the straight of the CalSpeedway Roval...

I was on a conservative tune of 445whp at 25psi on 100 octane. And it was the first time I tracked the car at that power.

I ran my 91 pump gas tune of 370whp at 22psi for the the full duration of the last time attack event and only partial for the current event before switching to the race gas map.



Quote: thanks everybody for all your input
i took in consideration for all of your feedback whether it be positive or negative...

For my first track day i think id like to have 300whp and a good set of tires and pads
The Evolution is a great car out of the box except for the brake pads...!

You can further increase your pleasure buy purchasing a decent set of coilovers, (hit up Robi from RobiSpec) and pick up some decent 140+ treadwear tires. Dont forget the the pads...!

Please dont waste your money on power mods until you harness the power that you have now.

You'll thank us and yourself in the long run...




with all the BS aside, it is your money have fun with it...



If you do upgrade your turbo go with a ball bearing turbo kit such as a FP HTA3076, FP HTA35r, the CBRD TAK33 or a twinscroll setup...

The stock frame turbos are a toss up on longevity on a road course setting...


phew...
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Dec 10, 2009 | 12:30 AM
  #49  
^word.
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Dec 10, 2009 | 12:36 AM
  #50  
+1 to what o-townFLA said, its not necessary to mod it like right after you get the car. u really should leave it as is, take it to the track, get a feel of the car, then go from there
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Dec 11, 2009 | 01:08 AM
  #51  
Quote: I had all mentioned installed by a professional Evo shop and still had a failure 4 months down the road.

More or less a defect then an oil problem, as my turbine blade broke off causing the seizure. Maybe due from the crazy heat cycles I was experiencing. I was traveling 160mph on the straight of the CalSpeedway Roval...

I was on a conservative tune of 445whp at 25psi on 100 octane. And it was the first time I tracked the car at that power.

I ran my 91 pump gas tune of 370whp at 22psi for the the full duration of the last time attack event and only partial for the current event before switching to the race gas map.





The Evolution is a great car out of the box except for the brake pads...!

You can further increase your pleasure buy purchasing a decent set of coilovers, (hit up Robi from RobiSpec) and pick up some decent 140+ treadwear tires. Dont forget the the pads...!

Please dont waste your money on power mods until you harness the power that you have now.

You'll thank us and yourself in the long run...




with all the BS aside, it is your money have fun with it...



If you do upgrade your turbo go with a ball bearing turbo kit such as a FP HTA3076, FP HTA35r, the CBRD TAK33 or a twinscroll setup...

The stock frame turbos are a toss up on longevity on a road course setting...


phew...

my main concern is that i dont want to be buying the same parts again for a different setup in the future....

for example: if i am to run a o/2housing, downpipe etc on stock turbo... for 300whp...when i build all the supporting mods (intercooler, etc...) for a bigger turbo (suspension, braking, etc... included)

WHAT IF i want to upgrade to to for example a gt3076, id probably need a new manifold and then i prov have to change the o/2 housing and a different downpipe, different wastegate??? if i stick with stock frame turbo this isnt a problem

BUT it really depends on how far a reliable stock frame turbos like the FP turbos and CBRD BBK turbo will take me...
again, i am looking for 400-450whp/wtq Daily Drive, don't stick with stock frame turbos? so your recommending get the ball bearing Garrett turbos?like the FP hta 3076???what about the AMS kits?


which reliable turbos can do 400-450whp on pump gas 91-93 octane? and which can do them pump gas + meth?

they say "fast, cheap, reliable...pick one"....and i say fast and reliable evos9s are too rare in canada :P
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Dec 11, 2009 | 06:49 AM
  #52  
^^ I'd stay away from meth on the track. A lot of group/organizations have bans against that kinda stuff anyways.

400-450whp on the track is 1 thing; but 400-450whp on pump gas is quite another. That's a pretty tall order and you're going to be looking at some major lag if you're on the stock bottom end. I've got a feeling you're getting into a situtation with a lot of lag and a lot of wrenching in the pits. Just my .02.

Now if you really wanted to get aggressive, you could build up the bottom end! For example a high revving 2.0 or even a stroker could really feed that larger turbo that you seem to want to do.


....But really, if you look at what everyone has said, don't worry about the power. Have you tracked the car AT ALL yet? If it's still 100% stock power, you're looking at ~250whp. See what that feels like...
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Dec 11, 2009 | 12:55 PM
  #53  
You can go with a gt30 kit and make your mentioned power level and have the reliability of a larger turbo... and the AMS 750r is very similar to the gt30...

you can go with power first but you wont truly be able to use it until you have your suspension setup....
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Dec 11, 2009 | 03:32 PM
  #54  
Quote: ....But really, if you look at what everyone has said, don't worry about the power. Have you tracked the car AT ALL yet? If it's still 100% stock power, you're looking at ~250whp. See what that feels like...
He's never been to the track in the Evo and has only been once in his life and it was in an Eclipse but now wants to run 450hp at the track. Bad juju IMO. Run stock or close to it for a while. You'll still have plenty of fun and will be able to learn much better. You'll be thankful in the long run. Suspension before power.
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Dec 11, 2009 | 03:45 PM
  #55  
Heres some general info for you to think about:

Advice to beginners
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Dec 11, 2009 | 04:07 PM
  #56  
Nice info Ed...
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Dec 11, 2009 | 04:18 PM
  #57  
+1
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Dec 11, 2009 | 05:46 PM
  #58  
As quoted in my sig:
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Dec 11, 2009 | 05:48 PM
  #59  
I did time attack with my evo big turbo it kicked butt!!
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Dec 11, 2009 | 06:10 PM
  #60  
We've had a few people like this in our local car club, they do a single track day (or none at all) and then decide to dump huge amounts of money into their car. In the end, they end up with a very light wallet (the leading record is over 100000$ into an STI), a monster of a car and no idea how to use it. They run lap times similar to cars with 1/20th of the money invested if they even get legitimate lap times at all, it's hard to abuse a car and potentially write it off (always a risk with any kind of track use) when you've spent a year and massive amounts of money building it. Take the advice some are saying, get some seat time before you slap your credit card down. The more power you have, the greater the risk you'll end up in trouble. There's a reason why so many people don't track their daily drivers.
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