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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Butt Dyno
The first post has links back to a lot of the other STU threads. There's also the solo rulebook.

Really short version:
-intake up to the turbo inlet; exhaust starting at the O2 housing
-tune is okay but can't touch the boost tables or otherwise mechancially alter boost
-struts/springs/camber plates/swaybars open
-any width wheel but only 245 max width tire

Makes for an awfully fun street car even without the nuclear power that most EvoM folks have.
thanks - I did go through the notes. I guess if its not mentioned as okay then it's not okay?

I noticed:
- says baffled oil pans are okay, like Buschurs modded stocker - wonder if Kiggly HLA is okay
- didn't mention anything on valvesprings/retainers - wonder if that's okay - not for extra tuning or w/e but just to let us stretch 2nd gear a little safer.
- didn't mention headstuds, like ARP, relatively common mod for evos.
- Fuel pump? Might have just missed that one.
- Coilovers seem okay, as well as camber/caster plates
- Bushings are okay.
- Didn't catch anything on adding caster, which the evos are extremely limited in - assume its okay with camber/caster plates
- Diffs need to be stock (boo, even for the restacked stocker - not good enough. If USDM came with AYC, different ball game.. wish we could mod up to any domestic market stock version)

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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
thanks - I did go through the notes. I guess if its not mentioned as okay then it's not okay?

I noticed:
- says baffled oil pans are okay, like Buschurs modded stocker - wonder if Kiggly HLA is okay This I'm not sure on...
- didn't mention anything on valvesprings/retainers - wonder if that's okay - not for extra tuning or w/e but just to let us stretch 2nd gear a little safer. Nope, not until you get up to SM
- didn't mention headstuds, like ARP, relatively common mod for evos. Nope, not until you get up to SM
- Fuel pump? Might have just missed that one. Not legal until you get to SP
- Coilovers seem okay, as well as camber/caster plates As long as they utilize the stock mounting points, any coilovers and camber/caster plates are okay
- Bushings are okay. I don't think the bushings can be offset, and the amount of metal needs to be the same as stock.
- Diffs need to be stock (boo, even for the restacked stocker - not good enough. If USDM came with AYC, different ball game.. wish we could mod up to any domestic market stock version) Yes, diffs need to be stock, but you can rearrange the rear per the FSM. You'd be surprised how well a rearranged stock 8 plate diff will do. It won't be as good as a 12 plate or 16 plate, but it'll still make the car rotate better
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 09:24 PM
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Thanks - I was working on adding a little more up top there - seems the Evo is actually fairly restricted power/safety-wise in STU.

And yeah, I have a Cusco 1.5 way now in my "SM" (random smattering of mods Evo) but was looking to run STU in a new evo.. now I'm not so sure
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 05:35 AM
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... not sure how you can write off STU until you DRIVE a well-prepped/competitive STU EVO... there is alot of magic in the details, regardless of the parts. the rear re-stacked LSD WILL work well, if your suspension and alignment match to utilize it. As far as the power mods, less is more... exhaust manifold back is pretty open (aside from a cat) and tuning timing/fuel... (yes an intake/filter as well).

Incredibly fun car that can be built for sub $20k including the car...

Though, for someone who wants DSM-yo-type parts just thrown on, SM it is usually... (not saying you)
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
Thanks - I was working on adding a little more up top there - seems the Evo is actually fairly restricted power/safety-wise in STU.

And yeah, I have a Cusco 1.5 way now in my "SM" (random smattering of mods Evo) but was looking to run STU in a new evo.. now I'm not so sure
300 whp is achievable, depending on dyno and all that.

An STU Evo has a lot going for it -
* It's pretty fun. Maybe not purple crack fun, but still really fun
* STU is a good sized class most places (at least around here)
* It's pretty reliable - just the clutch really and only if you are doing a lot of ProSolo (I have 5 drivers' worth of Prosolo on mine and it's still fine)
* There isn't really a course or weather condition it's going to be bad at (other than sweeperfest at Nationals )

If your thrills are mostly from the car itself, the mods are more important - but if it's focusing on driving and competition and not worrying about tweaking things and breaking ****, STU is perfect.

If you need more power, and different diffs, theres always ASP
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 06:36 AM
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^ sorry guys, didn't mean to write off STU or something like that - I want to run in STU, just checking what can and can't be done. Like I said, before I knew anything about what class to run in, I just started throwing mods together onto the car and before I knew it, I was practically irreversibly in SM, which I didn't want to do.

I have no problem with even stock-levels of power for the evo. There were just a few times I was around 8k rpms at the last event, which is why I was asking about the valvesprings/retainers
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
I know I'm a complete novice to STU but I have to tell you guys https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/8970328-post8.html this set of bushings alone made a HUGE difference in my car in terms of how the car felt in the corners.. And it seems according to 14.8B that bushing swaps are allowed provided a few restrictions.
Be aware that one of those four parts (the most significant part) in that kit is not a bushing ...and not relevant to 14.8B

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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 09:15 AM
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my bad... i just need to stop "contributing" to this thread lol
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 09:56 AM
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STU cars are pretty fun. On national course SP/M cars are more fun. Lots of sweepers=purple crack. Going from a full prep STU car to ASP (or BSP for the M3's) isn't a huge financial investment IMO....outside of tires (which can be significant....simple solution to that, just win!).
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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Take it from me, STU is the way to go. I've got a fairly decently prepped SM car, and my wallet definitely wishes it was still an STU car. Stepping up requires a pretty significant investment, and it's all a balance of how much fun the sport is to you vs. how much you actually want to spend. I sure wish I could go back to STU, or even have stopped at SP. It'd be just as much fun with about 1/4 the budget...
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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^ don't lie like that... SM all the way.
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 01:20 PM
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Yup... all the way to the bank for a loan
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by psushoe
Yup... all the way to the bank for a loan
This man know what I'm talking about.
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd4me
Be aware that one of those four parts (the most significant part) in that kit is not a bushing ...and not relevant to 14.8B

-Doug
Are you saying that part of the kit is legal? If so, which ones?
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by psushoe
Yup... all the way to the bank for a loan
I was so hardcore about cutting auto-x costs, I stopped racing the EVO in STU and now race a slow STS Miata.

Originally Posted by Z Madness
Are you saying that part of the kit is legal? If so, which ones?
The Whiteline Roll Center Kit is illegal, everything else is fine.
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