Official 2012 Formula One Discussion Thread
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Later, Ken
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The F1 website put up posting about the Mercedes front wing... even after reading it tho... I still don't understand exactly how their W-Duct system works... lol
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/865/949.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/865/949.html
The F1 website put up posting about the Mercedes front wing... even after reading it tho... I still don't understand exactly how their W-Duct system works... lol
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/865/949.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/865/949.html
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This is why I take breaks from this thread from time to time. I get tired of some of the comments made by the person in question. I get tired of reading copying and pasting blogs that usually are way off in their information. This thread should be fun and interesting, not about big egos and being contentious. I totally agree with your assessment about said individual. You might remember a couple months ago that I said that the person in question treats this thread like his personal fiefdom. I still stand by that comment and generally skip over those comments. I recommend that you do the same.
Nice. How can you discount my position on the matter as opinion when you still haven't come up with one real life example that suggests I'm wrong? Nobody cares about the strategy of a struggling Ferrari, or a Lotus Renault with no realistic chance at the championship either. First and foremost you need to have a car capable of winning the championship, and then of course at least one driver capable of winning races too. Every championship winner in recent history fits that, AND they've also all had a clear #2 driver receiving at the very least, less attention and focus on their needs to maximize their results compared to the #1 driver, and in many cases lesser equipment to some degree. So....for the third time, give me an example where equal cars and equal drivers has resulted in a championship. Until then, opinions are like A-holes only applies to YOU. 
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Senna and Prost is a good example... but I think really having equal team mates fighting is not that common.
It's not always down to team orders... a lot of times one driver is legitimately faster than the other... or more consistent.
It's not always down to team orders... a lot of times one driver is legitimately faster than the other... or more consistent.
^^^^ That's what I'm talking about. Aside from the extremely rare case of a Senna/Prost combo, then you're always going to have one guy that outperforms the other, and in response receives more focus from the team to maximize their chances for victory. 2nd place is just first loser, even in F1 where they celebrate 2nd and even 3rd nearly as much as 1st.
And.....thanks for the advice Samson. I think that's very likely the best approach.
And.....thanks for the advice Samson. I think that's very likely the best approach.
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^Gone over to the dark side have we...I answered UR question and yet now we turn the other cheek approach...I thought Sauber getting a podium would have an effect on U...just didn't realize how much...but thats the way it goes.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
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Hey Montezemelo, Listen up
Recall when Massa was having a bad time last year, chief blow hard at Ferrari, Montezemelo, instead of supporting Massa claimed that Massa's twin was driving the car rather than Massa himself...nice words of support! Well this year amid the howls to axe Massa after two races, at least someone in Ferrari is doing the right thing....this from team boss, Dominicalli: "Felipe has changed his plans and, instead of heading home to see his family in Brazil, he will be in Maranello tomorrow to work alongside the engineers to calmly analyse everything that happened in these past two races, trying to identify why he was not able to deliver what he is capable of...That's the right spirit and we are here, ready to help him." I hope and trust Montezemelo can recognize that one of their employees is able to provide the right kind of encouragement to one of their drivers currently not having " a good day".
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
I said it before it happened, and I'll say it again, the only way they get there is in a fluke rain/weather related race. Until they do it in the dry, then this Sauber business is still just a farce to me.
Oh, and yes, thank you for finally answering my challenging question. You found an instance where once in the last 13 years your ideal strategy of equal cars and equal treatment resulted in a championship. Good job. Now your opinion is no longer like an A-hole.
Recall when Massa was having a bad time last year, chief blow hard at Ferrari, Montezemelo, instead of supporting Massa claimed that Massa's twin was driving the car rather than Massa himself...nice words of support! Well this year amid the howls to axe Massa after two races, at least someone in Ferrari is doing the right thing....this from team boss, Dominicalli: "Felipe has changed his plans and, instead of heading home to see his family in Brazil, he will be in Maranello tomorrow to work alongside the engineers to calmly analyse everything that happened in these past two races, trying to identify why he was not able to deliver what he is capable of...That's the right spirit and we are here, ready to help him." I hope and trust Montezemelo can recognize that one of their employees is able to provide the right kind of encouragement to one of their drivers currently not having " a good day".
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
I'm guessing Massa has China and Bahrain to prove himself. After that, if he doesn't get results, then with the test coming up at Mugello, I'd wager that someone else will be driving instead of Felipe. Hate to see it happen to a nice guy like him, but right now all he's proving is that nice guys _do_ finish last. IMO if he'd been more hardcore in '08, he'd have had the championship.
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Carry on gents.
.... One thing we can all deduce for now, is that Sauber's car is the fastest in the wet, for sure!
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Now why would you go ahead and say something like that? It's the back and forth banter that keeps the rest of us interested in this thread. If everyone just agreed with everyone else on this forum, this thread would get boring really quickly.
Carry on gents. ....
One thing we can all deduce for now, is that Sauber's car is the fastest in the wet, for sure!
Carry on gents.
.... One thing we can all deduce for now, is that Sauber's car is the fastest in the wet, for sure!
I hate to say it, but as much as I like watching Kobayashi, I think Perez has his number and is going to be a faster overall driver.
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