That is if all the teams get new tires for each Qualy. Now imagine if only the teams that got to Q3 got an extra set of Super Softs that could only be used in Q3 and would have to be given back. Tell me you wouldn't like to see the remaining teams go ***** out.

Ken, I wouldn't say it was completely Schumi's fault, Bruno S. was partly to blame. Bruno moved to the outside under braking. He was holding the middle/inside line while setting up for the corner, which left the outside open for Schumi. Senna moved to the left/outside at the last moment which left no room for Schumi. Schumi tried to correct by going to the inside but it was too late. IMHO, if Senna had held his line the accident could have been avoided. Rookie mistake of not checking his mirrors.

But ultimately, it is the overtaking cars responsibility to pass cleanly and safely. Schumi = boned!

 

Yes, I agree with this except Senna has a right to defend a line, just one and that was the outside which Schumi was looking to pass there but as we both conclude he could not recover and change to the inside line in time....blammo...both out.

Later, Ken

 

Everyone has been claiming that the cause for the crazy/diversified results this year R due to the unpredictable nature of the Pirelli tires. However, Kimi seems to feel differently: "It's because of the amount of the fuel on board. I don't think there would be that much problem with these tyres, if we would race with 50 or 60 kilos, when we start...Previously the pitstops were made usually after every 20 laps, while we had less fuel. I think it would have been the same situation with Michelins and Bridgestones if we would have this much fuel as we have now."
Interesting that he feels it is the excessive/high weight that makes these tires unpredictable. It is unclear to me why the tires would B variable as opposed to simply wearing quicker at the beginning of the race and reducing later in the race. U guys have any ideas?

Later, Ken

 

Sometimes when one throws a tantrum and moans and groans, protests, etc., a bone is thrown their way: http://www.pitpass.com/46322-Exclusi...-F1-board-seat

Later, Ken

 

IMO they shouldn't have been left out in the first place. Merc has been in this sport a long time, maybe not always as a Constructor, but look how long they've been supplying teams engines. Hell, they wanted to buy into McLaren for years, but RD always said no.

Do you think RB would have been offered a seat had they not won the Championship the last two seasons? No friggen way...

 

It is true, they have been a big part of F1 for a long time via engines...they had a chance to buy into or outright purchase McLaren but yet did not and rules, for what they R worth, apply to teams only...I think they have been slow to commit and now that they have want as much as the big boys...and yes, U R right about RB...when U R on top many things fall UR way!

Later, Ken

 

completely disagree, even S. Vettel right behind them saw it differntly... My opinion is (based on F1 people opinion and read around it) it was a clear racing accident, and has nothing to blame more one over the other.
As S. Vettel said it after the race perfectly, tango needs two people...

Senna always REACTED to Schumi moves, it is very clear seeing the video below. There for was unclear which way to go. Senna had to take a longer brake time due lesser tires(less grip/fatige)
When he braked Schumi was too close ( loss down force behind other car etc) to counter act Senna moves again, after the first direction change.
+ People tend to forget the Human reaction time.... That is why in racing you pick a line and you stay with it, everyone knows. You can defend yourself safely of course, one line change in the early braking zone. But twice?
Specially when you have a very high speed at the situation. Senna was very well of awere of that , he is a F1 driver not a rookie...
So just food for thought :
before the accident happened they did reach over 316 km/h... this whole "tango" happened less then 120 meters. With that entry speed into this accident distance, leaves you at that speed / distance 0.1-0.30 mp reaction time to counter act Senna changes twice.
So in theory Schumi had to react twice in that period of time , which is almost impossible and as we saw it was impossible. There for both can be or can not be blamed.

the distances are very easyt to measure according to F1 guru's , since the red and white curbs at the turns can and does give you a perfect measurments for speed and distance.
betwenn the 150 and 100 meter singns there is 14 section of those red and white curb stones.
One sectin is 3.6 meters. So when they looked the incindent frame by frame. it was not hard to get a right measurments if you start the 0 meter at any red or white sections before the accidnet.
So it does make it interesting if you follow the accindet to both side . One os the Box exit line to see the direction changes of the cars, and the left the section to measure or feel the speed of this accident.


so according to the F1 guys here is the accident step by step purely by math:
180 meters Senna start going right, Schumi going straight
175 meters Schumi start going left
165 meters Senna start going back to left
120 meters schumi start going right
95 meters senna stop moving left suddenly- going staright
75 meters senna hard braking
this is starts with again 316 + km/h and less then 120 meters


http://videa.hu/videok/jarmuvek/schu...Lrnc5qvmqH4J20

 

Also i might ad to this whole F1 circus today. As it makes it more intersting , i think its getting to the circus side more then a sport side. Spectators and racers are not necceserly want the same , and usually the racers opinion is what makes the sport moves forward. For obvious reasons.

Pirelli makes the F1 more fair is it some say to "equalize" the F1 with the new tires. So as the lottery has an equal chances, but lottery is not a sport a same time..

Sports is when yuo have a hard work and talent and that is rewarding you with results. The F1 today seems more like a "we have a lucky winner".... I am not saying who wins doesnt deserve it. But doesnt seems there is any linear trand forming who wins or doesnt... so there is no clear who figured it out the new pirellis who doesnt.
So as it is today doesnt seems to me , not the hard work or talant decides, which is not good.

You can hate ferrari - Mclaren - lotus what ever. But before they won because they did something better then others and that was clear. There for the engeneering was moving ahead ,so as you could see who is talented or better driver better suited for the car etc. It was a clear indication who are the better guys this year.

Anyway i just ahd to share , i hope it leads some civilized opinion changes about pirelli's

press on guys

 

[QUOTE=Robevo RS;10174079]"completely disagree, even S. Vettel right behind them saw it differntly... My opinion is (based on F1 people opinion and read around it) it was a clear racing accident, and has nothing to blame more one over the other...."
Rob, I wanted to C the replay of the crash to verify my mind's recollection but unfortunately UR site has closed out for viewing. That said, it is possible for reasonable people to disagree but U NO what?....our opinion means nothing and the "F1 people",to which U refer, were not the stewards and , in the end, their opinions were that Schumi was at fault and deserving of a penalty.

Later, Ken

 

Sometimes drivers, in order to quell rumors or simply pump themselves up following an accident, say things that sound hollow...take Perez prior to Monoco: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227...atershed-event and this from Massa:http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/05/19/ma...ore-the-crash/
Perhaps, at times like these, it is better to B silent and let UR racing results speak for themselves.

Later, Ken

 

[QUOTE=KPerez;10174404]yes you you are right. FIA doesnt give a sh&t about anybody. Nobody over sighting them . Its like OPEC in the oil world. they do what they want .
Anyway, any accident is happaning because of the human error somewhere on the road to get to the accidents.
There for sure it was part of Shumi fault , that is not even a question. The thing is if Senna thinks ( i doubt though) he had nothing to do with this, that can be lead a much bigger accident later , based on the none fault decision on his behalf.
Wont you agree?

But i think he knows, as any racer would know he did changed direction too many times in braking zone and making a dangerous situation for others or other racer.
But this time he might got some "behind a scene talk" or something to not to do it next time. And now he is happy to got away with it. End of the day both car get damaged etc.
I am sure there was a talk.

What i try to say here , is not to blame Shumi for everything, that wouldnt be fair in this case.

PS: i do not like how motorsport burokrats working many times, but what you can do , right? Today burokrats sitting on basically on everything like a blood sucking leach, and making motorsport and other part of the life harder in a bad way.
Just rememeber that USA F1 drama about Texas...

ps : i am sure you know there is always two and sometimes entirely diffenet speach comes from racers right after the race and couple fo days later.
Ther was areally negative speach one of the F1 driver about Pirelli and week later he openly was saying the best tires he ever runned... Problem i cant find a link to that, i try though. So the moral of the story is, you going down on the driver level line the less you will hear the drivers on unchecked toughts. Its a fact.
There is always a best question in racing: you want or do not want to drive for this or that team?
Even in small scale in the USA rally is happaning, where literally no money involved. Just imagine the pumped up F1 circus scene...

 

With regard to the first of the above (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/180001/...cher_down.html), I just don't get it...why is Brawn not C'ing the results and accepting them...Rosberg has over an order of magnitude more pts than Schumi and has not received the penalties Schumi has had and yet he feels the team has let him down? Merc has bent over backwards for Schumi...designing the car around him for two years now and Rosberg has had to adapt to "Schumi's car" and yet he still outperforms him...wake up Ross and accept the reality...Schumi is done...set him up for the domestic car showroom and Bdone with it.
For the last, Dr.'s telling Brawn to take weekend off is not a good sign....suspect heart problems here....the stress of F1 ain't worth UR a**ss Ross...time to rethink the future.


Later, Ken

 

^ Your quite judgemental aren't you? I don't think Brawn supporting Schumacher (might I remind you statistically THE BEST driver F1 has ever seen) allows you to call him names. Michael is having bad luck, everyone can see that....

 

Yes, like everyone here, opinions R like a***ss holes...everyone has one. That said, I agree he has a record that noone will probably ever achieve much less surpass. However, this was then and this is now...I think if U honestly assess his performance over the last two years, Schumi is not what he was...none of us R...the results speak for themselves and to attribute this to "bad luck" is,IMHO, a stretch...from a mechanical point of view, he has a good car...Rosberg has proven that but Schumi just hasn't gotten it together and, to me, he is not going to do it...Massa has more of chance than Schumi in pulling himself up and performing...one can only rest on ones laurels for so long...for Schumi, time has run out.


Later, Ken

 

Seriously? Massa is done - I honestly find it hard to believe how long Ferrari have held on to him. Since his accident, he has been a shadow of his former self. Schumi, on the other hand, has put in some good performances for Mercedes. Sure, he probably doesn't have the same speed he had 10 years ago, but his car has let him down quite a bit too - which is all that Brawn was trying to point out. I'm sure that at the very least we'll see Schumacher on the podium this year, hopefully a race win too.

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