Evolution Dynamics Pikes Peak Build
http://www.atlasf1.com/news/safety.html
1994:
Cockpit area side load test increased (from 2000daN to 3000daN).
1995:
Survival cell side impact test introduced.
1998:
Higher cockpit sides.
75mm side headrests compulsory.
Perhaps I should have said bodywork height relaitve to the driver. I've been watching racing since I was 5 and just about every form (I miss old school monster truck and stadium truck racing, haven't seen a hydroplane race in forever either). I'm pretty well aware of the safety improvements made to the vehicles over the last 25 years.
1994:
Cockpit area side load test increased (from 2000daN to 3000daN).
1995:
Survival cell side impact test introduced.
1998:
Higher cockpit sides.
75mm side headrests compulsory.
Perhaps I should have said bodywork height relaitve to the driver. I've been watching racing since I was 5 and just about every form (I miss old school monster truck and stadium truck racing, haven't seen a hydroplane race in forever either). I'm pretty well aware of the safety improvements made to the vehicles over the last 25 years.
there ya go. the height of the body work never really changed. it was always about as tall as the tire is. the driver is just laid down farther. for lower CG, and they keep the body work the same height as it was.
that is correct. we had holes in the welds of the added gussets along the roof line they wanted filled, which we did.
there were about half the cars in the field that also didn't pass tech inspection the first time as well. INCLUDING brianne corns SCCA certfied rally cage, which had passed tech the year before with the same cage, the factory mitsubishi teams i-miev car, and a bunch of others all with spots needing fixed.
our primary cage (the original NASA spec cage) was all fully tig welded around every tube as we lowered the cage through the floor to get the top edges when we built it. when we had to add the gussets at the halo corners when deciding to do pikes peak, the cage was already burned in thus the top edge of those tubes welding wasnt pretty and had holes that needed filling. with the roof off you can see the patch job the shop did, did the job of filling the holes, but certainly offered 0 additional strength as it wasn't burned into the tube fully. even with holes in our welds on the top, i promise our gussets were stronger then rhys millens which were made of 1" OD tubes
there were about half the cars in the field that also didn't pass tech inspection the first time as well. INCLUDING brianne corns SCCA certfied rally cage, which had passed tech the year before with the same cage, the factory mitsubishi teams i-miev car, and a bunch of others all with spots needing fixed.
our primary cage (the original NASA spec cage) was all fully tig welded around every tube as we lowered the cage through the floor to get the top edges when we built it. when we had to add the gussets at the halo corners when deciding to do pikes peak, the cage was already burned in thus the top edge of those tubes welding wasnt pretty and had holes that needed filling. with the roof off you can see the patch job the shop did, did the job of filling the holes, but certainly offered 0 additional strength as it wasn't burned into the tube fully. even with holes in our welds on the top, i promise our gussets were stronger then rhys millens which were made of 1" OD tubes
my builders does that for sure.
So i hope you dont take it a wrong way.
Hill climbs are basically one stage of the rally events. That is why i like to recommend rally cages vs the minimum requirements. And not worry the extra bar weights.
Only way to know for sure is it take the cars and measure them side by side. It is FACT that the bodywork was raised relative to the driver for safety reasons. Again, rules evolving as deficiencies are found.
there were about half the cars in the field that also didn't pass tech inspection the first time as well. INCLUDING brianne corns SCCA certfied rally cage, which had passed tech the year before with the same cage, the factory mitsubishi teams i-miev car, and a bunch of others all with spots needing fixed.
Moral of the story - just because tech people are "officials" doesn't mean they know what the hell they're actually doing.
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Jalopnik's Bill Caswell had a great article, but this one paragraph most caught my attention:
The drivers were complaining out of safety. Out of concern for their lives. And they had every right to complain. Take a look at Jeremy Foley's crash as he climbed the W's to Devils playground. I don't think I've ever seen a scarier accident in my entire life. Thank God Jeremy built one hell of a strong car. I think it saved his life.
Did you get that? Scariest crash he had ever seen and said that the build was one hell of a strong car. Send our best regards to Jeremy and Yuri and I hope that you are able to regroup and build another car for the Race to the Clouds!
Kevin, I apologize for my part in getting this thread sidetracked. Our friend who you were responding to somehow wants to focus on F1 and ALMS, when the discussion is about Jeremy Foley and Yuri his codriver. The high noses in F1 and the high fenders in LeMans have nothing to do with safety. They had to do with better aerodynamics and covering humongous front tires. And, the discussion is not germaine to the incredibly safe car you built.
Jalopnik's Bill Caswell had a great article, but this one paragraph most caught my attention:
The drivers were complaining out of safety. Out of concern for their lives. And they had every right to complain. Take a look at Jeremy Foley's crash as he climbed the W's to Devils playground. I don't think I've ever seen a scarier accident in my entire life. Thank God Jeremy built one hell of a strong car. I think it saved his life.
Did you get that? Scariest crash he had ever seen and said that the build was one hell of a strong car. Send our best regards to Jeremy and Yuri and I hope that you are able to regroup and build another car for the Race to the Clouds!
Jalopnik's Bill Caswell had a great article, but this one paragraph most caught my attention:
The drivers were complaining out of safety. Out of concern for their lives. And they had every right to complain. Take a look at Jeremy Foley's crash as he climbed the W's to Devils playground. I don't think I've ever seen a scarier accident in my entire life. Thank God Jeremy built one hell of a strong car. I think it saved his life.
Did you get that? Scariest crash he had ever seen and said that the build was one hell of a strong car. Send our best regards to Jeremy and Yuri and I hope that you are able to regroup and build another car for the Race to the Clouds!
-Acree
This video has alot of great shots, including Jeremy and Dave K's runs. There stuff starts around the 18 min mark. Footage shows the corners leading up to the wreck and the smoke coming off the car. Looks like it could be engine smoke under decel or perhaps a rear tire rubbing?
This video has alot of great shots, including Jeremy and Dave K's runs. There stuff starts around the 18 min mark. Footage shows the corners leading up to the wreck and the smoke coming off the car. Looks like it could be engine smoke under decel or perhaps a rear tire rubbing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn4DVjgO3k0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn4DVjgO3k0
We had no tire rubbing issues after the second day. The rear right tire was rubbing on practice day two, but we fixed it that night, and the tire is actually still on the car and still holding air.
-Acree
I just noticed there were at least 4 gopros attached to the car. wonder if evo-d was able to recover those and if they are still functional?
Last edited by momostallion; Aug 15, 2012 at 04:21 PM.
Kevin,
How are the guys recovering? Hope they're back on their feet, and looking forward to brighter days ahead. I imagine they're thankful to be alive, and happy you built such a strong cage. I'll be contacting you to build me one when I finally get ready to take my Evo to H2R. If anything, I hope this is a lesson to anyone like me that wasn't completely convinced before just how important it is to have appropriate driver/passenger protection when pushing these cars to the limit. Don't just think about it, DO IT!!!!
How are the guys recovering? Hope they're back on their feet, and looking forward to brighter days ahead. I imagine they're thankful to be alive, and happy you built such a strong cage. I'll be contacting you to build me one when I finally get ready to take my Evo to H2R. If anything, I hope this is a lesson to anyone like me that wasn't completely convinced before just how important it is to have appropriate driver/passenger protection when pushing these cars to the limit. Don't just think about it, DO IT!!!!
