Looking to improve handling
quote: Its got BC coil overs on it now which I'd like to swap for KW's but thats down the road.
Sorry for hijacking this to go offtopic from what its on, but my +2 cents, KW is a good coil, but over priced, might as well go with Ohlins theyre just as good, 1k less the price.
Sorry for hijacking this to go offtopic from what its on, but my +2 cents, KW is a good coil, but over priced, might as well go with Ohlins theyre just as good, 1k less the price.
Depends. Ohlins are single-adjustable, KW is double. I believe KW is in the $2,500 range and Ohlins is around $2,700 unassembled. More if you get them put together. I’m sure of the Ohlins pricing.. not so much the KW.
It’s not a mod, just putting it together correctly. It doesn’t make the car unstable or scary to drive, IMO. Then again, I don’t know what type of drive OP is.
on a tangent, I’m not sure why so many people are against fixing the rear diff. I would think more people would be unhappy with it being put together incorrectly. It does the same thing as a rear sway bar: tunes out quite a bit of understeer. Or at least it did on my car. Why would I spend money on a rear sway bar to do the same thing when I can fix the rear diff for free? That’s how I looked at it, anyway. I no longer have the need for a sway bar. However, if someone doesn’t feel comfortable performing the work, I could see why they would do the bar.
i do agree that he may as well just drive the car as-is for the moment. especially since pushing a lot more safe than over steer. once it's aligned correctly, he'll need to get used to it all over again. i'm sure he's gonna love it.
It’s not a mod, just putting it together correctly. It doesn’t make the car unstable or scary to drive, IMO. Then again, I don’t know what type of drive OP is.
on a tangent, I’m not sure why so many people are against fixing the rear diff. I would think more people would be unhappy with it being put together incorrectly. It does the same thing as a rear sway bar: tunes out quite a bit of understeer. Or at least it did on my car. Why would I spend money on a rear sway bar to do the same thing when I can fix the rear diff for free? That’s how I looked at it, anyway. I no longer have the need for a sway bar. However, if someone doesn’t feel comfortable performing the work, I could see why they would do the bar.
i do agree that he may as well just drive the car as-is for the moment. especially since pushing a lot more safe than over steer. once it's aligned correctly, he'll need to get used to it all over again. i'm sure he's gonna love it.
I realize that "bound" might seem like the opposite of "rebound," but more people will understand you if you use "bump" or "compression" or, maybe, "jounce."
Also, it is very hard to find a single-adjustable that only alters compression damping. If a shock has only one adjuster, you can be pretty sure that it either changes rebound only or it changes both rebound and compression at the same time.
Also, it is very hard to find a single-adjustable that only alters compression damping. If a shock has only one adjuster, you can be pretty sure that it either changes rebound only or it changes both rebound and compression at the same time.
if you are trying to shave a few tenths of a second off a lap time.. then you may want double adjustable. otherwise, it just adds complexity.
so many variables.
Absolutely. In fact, I strongly prefer a single adjuster that only does rebound to one that does both compression and rebound together. And this isn't only because two-way bleeder are usually less precise and predictable than separate, one-way bleeders. It's more that I like to leave the compression damping alone, assuming that it's vaguely correct for the springs, and do all on-the-spot "tuning" with rebound only. When the adjuster changes both compression and rebound, it's much harder to dial in some looseness, for example; this is useful when you show up and discover that an autocross course is ridiculously tight.
Absolutely. In fact, I strongly prefer a single adjuster that only does rebound to one that does both compression and rebound together. And this isn't only because two-way bleeder are usually less precise and predictable than separate, one-way bleeders. It's more that I like to leave the compression damping alone, assuming that it's vaguely correct for the springs, and do all on-the-spot "tuning" with rebound only. When the adjuster changes both compression and rebound, it's much harder to dial in some looseness, for example; this is useful when you show up and discover that an autocross course is ridiculously tight.
double-adjustable is great for avoiding the situation you describe.. but it sure does take me a lot longer to get dialed in! there is a definite learning curve.
all that being said, i'm really happy with the KWs and, now that i have learned the adjustments (like i had a choice), i'm glad i ended up with them. but only because most of my driving is on the track.
I'm coming to Evos from a 2G DSM, for which the best affordable shock was the Koni Sport (aka Koni Yellow). Those are rebound-only. In fact, if you look around, you'll see a tendency for European singles to be rebound only and Asian singles to be both-at-once. Coincidentally, most good shocks have separate, one-way-each, low-speed bleeders, while cheaper stuff has a common, two-way bleeder.
I'm coming to Evos from a 2G DSM, for which the best affordable shock was the Koni Sport (aka Koni Yellow). Those are rebound-only. In fact, if you look around, you'll see a tendency for European singles to be rebound only and Asian singles to be both-at-once. Coincidentally, most good shocks have separate, one-way-each, low-speed bleeders, while cheaper stuff has a common, two-way bleeder.
The ONLY time my car felt right and pretty good at autox was right after the diff fix. I only formed this conclusion recently - because I have lost the setup - meaning the car understeers now, after the winter. I always thought it was my tires that got too old or got affected by the winter cold. new Z2 tires didnt help. I corded brand new A6s(front) in 10 60sec runs 
. I used the autox events in the last 6mos to figure it out... ride height, swaybar stiffness, shock settings - nothing from my notes were working. my last hope is changing out the rear lsd oil and hope it starts grabbing again. I havent done that so I'll report back later
. I used the autox events in the last 6mos to figure it out... ride height, swaybar stiffness, shock settings - nothing from my notes were working. my last hope is changing out the rear lsd oil and hope it starts grabbing again. I havent done that so I'll report back later
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Still not sure how many track days you have. Have you had any coaching? I'm in my third year tracking my X and with 15+ days under my belt I am only now starting to consider suspension upgrades. I had in-car coaches my first few times and the group I run with has classroom session after the first few sessions. If the car feels unstable through a corner, it could be the line.
Still not sure how many track days you have. Have you had any coaching? I'm in my third year tracking my X and with 15+ days under my belt I am only now starting to consider suspension upgrades. I had in-car coaches my first few times and the group I run with has classroom session after the first few sessions. If the car feels unstable through a corner, it could be the line.
Still not sure how many track days you have. Have you had any coaching? I'm in my third year tracking my X and with 15+ days under my belt I am only now starting to consider suspension upgrades. I had in-car coaches my first few times and the group I run with has classroom session after the first few sessions. If the car feels unstable through a corner, it could be the line.
I have a really good driving line. I've watched tons of videos and tutorials over the years and am an F1 fanatic. I played Gran Torismo for years and still do till this day. Understand it sounds childish but let me tell you. Most guys I know that have actually done track days and follow me on the street on really nice roads around here have always complimented my driving and are actually surprised at how hard I can push and how smooth my lines and transitions are. I know it doesnt really say a lot but I know quite a bit and still looking to improve by actually getting to the track.