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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 01:28 PM
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Alignment suggestions

Hey guys, thanks for your time. I HAVE DONE (some) research first!

I daily my car as well as the occasional track day (road race/circuit) but mainly daily it like a lot of us. I recently picked up a set of some JIC-Magic coils and im about to take my car in for an alignment. I'm also on RPF1's 17x9.5 +18 all around (I know, I know ) I have my rear fenders rolled and rubbing isn't an issue anymore after a few other small mods involving bolts/side skirts/plastics. Using 255/40/17 NT05 tires.

What kind of alignment specs do you guys recommend considering the size of my tires/wheels on stock body. I'm aiming for zero toe and more camber up front but other than that i'm a little in the dark at what works best (spec wise). How much camber can I get away with for daily driving? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Here are some more details if needed..
Perrin rear Stout Mount 24mm bar at middle setting
Used JIC coils with unknown spring rates
Stainless steel lines
Dot 4 fluid
StopTech pads
Centric blanks
Nitto Nt05 255/40/17
Enkei RPF1 17.9.5+18 w/hub-centric rings
No spare tire (empty trunk)
Lightweight battery

After initial alignment, I plan on getting 10mm spacers up front/bushing correction kits(the main 3) followed by corner balance/alignment from repitable speed shop (Mueller/Evasive/WestEnd) But for now i'm going to a regular alignment shop and would like to know what settings to try and achieve before taking the car.

Again, thanks in advanced fellas!
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 03:56 PM
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With zero toe. Your tire wear should be minimal. Go for as much negative camber in the front as you can get. And the rear is up to you. But negative 1.5 is a good all around setting.

You can pick up springs for $50 a piece. Then you will know exactly what rates you have. Or you can have your sent out to be tested. I would bet there are shops local to you that have a spring rate tester.
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ratt_finkel
With zero toe. Your tire wear should be minimal. Go for as much negative camber in the front as you can get. And the rear is up to you. But negative 1.5 is a good all around setting.

You can pick up springs for $50 a piece. Then you will know exactly what rates you have. Or you can have your sent out to be tested. I would bet there are shops local to you that have a spring rate tester.
Awesome thanks for the help! I'm hoping that zero toe on all 4 can be achieved, at my ride height it shouldn't be a problem. The coils come with camber plates so what I would like to know now is, what is a real world camber setting up front? The rear sounds good at 1.5-1.8 but I know that upfront, the alignment shop is probably going to set me at stock camber according to factory recommendation. Worst case scenario i'll let the tech know what my goal is the day of and i'm sure they'll get me where I need to be.

Muellerized has a shock and spring dyno I might put a weekend aside and take them off of the car to be tested. Thank you again!
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 08:03 PM
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-2 in the front and around -1.5 in the rear is a reasonable starting point I would say.
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptord
-2 in the front and around -1.5 in the rear is a reasonable starting point I would say.
Awesome thank you I can't wait to get this bad boy dialed in!
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Old Aug 23, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Apexi N1s with 8k front/rear.

I'm at -2.6 camber in front with a bit more room to go, but tire wear seems pretty even and I don't get any understeer until the tires get really overheated and greasy. Front toe is 0.

I'm mentioning rear simply to do so, I have some frame issues and this is as good as it gets for me right now. -0.5 camber, -0.5 toe. It's a lot of toe, but the car is actually super neutral and still turns solid times on the local course as it sits. Once I fix the frame I still intend to run substantial rear toe, but with a useable amount of camber.
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by cmspaz
Apexi N1s with 8k front/rear.

I'm at -2.6 camber in front with a bit more room to go, but tire wear seems pretty even and I don't get any understeer until the tires get really overheated and greasy. Front toe is 0.

I'm mentioning rear simply to do so, I have some frame issues and this is as good as it gets for me right now. -0.5 camber, -0.5 toe. It's a lot of toe, but the car is actually super neutral and still turns solid times on the local course as it sits. Once I fix the frame I still intend to run substantial rear toe, but with a useable amount of camber.
Man no way, whats wrong with the car exactly? Not being able to get a proper alignment due to suspension issues is one of my biggest fears
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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I have -2 front camber, and -1.5 rear on 2010 MR. PF01 275/18s w/BFG Rivals, Ohlins, and Rear Hotchkis sway.


I am exclusively on long road race tracks, no autocross. Tire wear shows me I will need more on both front and back Will try -3 front, and -2 rear.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:18 PM
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Post pics of your car. I'm curious to see that rear fitment
I'm running rpf1with 255s on coilovers also. CST 10k front and rear softer than the previous set of tanabe hard drive system pro sevens
38mm offset with a 20 mm up front
I don't want to murder my rear fender but am curious how much you did here
Jonas



Originally Posted by DropThatHammer
Hey guys, thanks for your time. I HAVE DONE (some) research first!

I daily my car as well as the occasional track day (road race/circuit) but mainly daily it like a lot of us. I recently picked up a set of some JIC-Magic coils and im about to take my car in for an alignment. I'm also on RPF1's 17x9.5 +18 all around (I know, I know ) I have my rear fenders rolled and rubbing isn't an issue anymore after a few other small mods involving bolts/side skirts/plastics. Using 255/40/17 NT05 tires.

What kind of alignment specs do you guys recommend considering the size of my tires/wheels on stock body. I'm aiming for zero toe and more camber up front but other than that i'm a little in the dark at what works best (spec wise). How much camber can I get away with for daily driving? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Here are some more details if needed..
Perrin rear Stout Mount 24mm bar at middle setting
Used JIC coils with unknown spring rates
Stainless steel lines
Dot 4 fluid
StopTech pads
Centric blanks
Nitto Nt05 255/40/17
Enkei RPF1 17.9.5+18 w/hub-centric rings
No spare tire (empty trunk)
Lightweight battery

After initial alignment, I plan on getting 10mm spacers up front/bushing correction kits(the main 3) followed by corner balance/alignment from repitable speed shop (Mueller/Evasive/WestEnd) But for now i'm going to a regular alignment shop and would like to know what settings to try and achieve before taking the car.

Again, thanks in advanced fellas!
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 07:49 PM
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From: Why do they always call the Evo the Dark Side?
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I recently picked up a set of some JIC-Magic coils
Is it too late to sell them?
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 06:02 AM
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Is it too late to sell them?


cmspaz - You are running half a degree of total toe out in the rear? That seems wrong. For me, if I run toe out in the rear the back tries to pass the front on corner exit and usually succeeds. This obviously depends on the rest of your setup, including what limited slip (stock, restack, etc) you are using in the rear.
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 07:19 PM
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My JIC Magic experience. It was decidedly un-magic.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...3&postcount=29
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