Who said anything about testing fuel at the site?


Paper gets thrown, sample gets taken, sample get shipped to a lab, everyone gets to find out the event results in two weeks.


It'll definitely cut down on banquet time.

 

maybe these days less common but still used with boosted cars, and many boosted ST cars are older ones no?

 

What relevant ST car other than Evo can benefit from an MBC over just the now allowed ECU tune?

I think there is any, at least non that pop to mind.

 

Yup, I got that part from the other forum...

I guess, for the next Nationals every Steet class should have winner protested for fuel, so banquet would be just about the food!!

 

That's what I've been thinking about since this was announced. As far as I can tell, most other boosted ST cars have enough boost headroom on the stock boost control hardware.

If we're doing this whole open boost thing, it might be worth arguing that aftermarket boost control solenoids or at least restrictor pill changes should also be allowed. Does anyone know which other ST cars are commonly modified with aftermarket MBC/EBC/restrictor changes?

 

In terms of boosted ST* cars there aren't many that are currently relevant:
STX: Mini S, WRX. Not that relevant: FoST, SRT4, MS3
STU: Evo, STi. Not that relevant: 135, S4
STS / STR: nada
STF: dunno

I would think that, going forward, as more cars switch to turbos and more manufacturers try to avoid customers blowing up their car with tunes, OEM boost pills-or-equivalent might get more popular. That is a car-neutral reason why such an allowance might be useful - it covers us for future turbo cars. If open boost is within the spirit of the class, it seems pretty arbitrary to not allow matching hardware changes.

(I'll write a letter when I have more time to research)

 

DSM's are also in stx. Tuning won't do much on the stock T25, but raising the boost gets you right around 180whp, 230ftlbs. Possibly a little more torque once boost cut is removed.

 

Hah, I said relevant in ST :P. Wonder if this could bring the WRX into the mix beyond pros though.

 

IIRC they've decided to no longer serve food at the banquets.

 

C'mon you party popper!!

 

BTW, if you guys haven't written letters...you should. All comments are welcome, for or against.

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So I am just starting to learn more about this proposal. Can someone please explain to me why the Evo 8/9 won't benefit from this whole open ECU thing? If I understand correctly, it seems that the only way the Evo 8/9 can increase boost is via an aftermarket MBC or EBC, while the Evo X can do with a tune using something like Cobb Accessport? If my understanding is correct, then this proposal won't really help the 8/9 in terms of power?

Also, say if your car is in ASP trim, so your fender is rolled and slightly pulled....does that mean you are never able to go back to STU trim because your fender is pulled already? I suppose if you run the same setup as everyone does in STU, then the pulled fender really has no advantage.

 

The boost pill is the effective restriction in the system for the Evo 8/9. The proposed ECU allowance does not allow for that to be changed. Other boosted cars could benefit from the allowance significantly more than the 8/9.


Technically the car will not be legal in STU. Arguably the current language regarding fenders creates a gray area. It's somewhere between difficult and impossible to roll the fender lips flat without changing the external profile. If your wheel/tire setup is the same as "legal" cars, there shouldn't be a problem anywhere but Lincoln. In Lincoln you'd probably lose a protest.

 

Can you confirm that EVO X doesn't suffer from such a pill as 8/9?

 

It does have the boost pill like the 8/9. The boost pill restricts flow to the wastegate to help the ****ty stock solenoids get more boost. But the X also has 2 boost control solenoids, so you can get about a 24-25psi out of it with full exhaust, intake, and WGDC at 100%.