Notices
Motor Sports If you like rallying, road racing, autoxing, or track events, then this is the spot for you.

Dry Sump Thread: More offerings are available!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 9, 2018, 10:25 AM
  #31  
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (2)
 
Ayoustin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Detroit
Posts: 2,894
Received 575 Likes on 431 Posts
It's definitely track dependent. Also, although the PA guys haven't lost and engine from starvation yet it doesn't mean they aren't seeing accelerated bearing wear from low pressure.

The problem with oiling issues is that everything is fine until it isn't.
The following 2 users liked this post by Ayoustin:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018), kikiturbo (Jan 9, 2018)
Old Jan 9, 2018, 01:37 PM
  #32  
Evolving Member
 
TimC909's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Lancashire, UK
Posts: 139
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
A couple of years back a company called GB Enterprises where involved with AT Power in the development of a gear driven fully integrated dry sump kit. Some sort of disagreement happened and it all got shelved but these are some of the pictures that where posted.

AT Power do make an integrated kit for K20/24 engines but no idea how good the kit is

https://www.atpower.com/products/hon...k24-integrated
Attached Thumbnails Dry Sump Thread:  More offerings are available!-gear2.jpg   Dry Sump Thread:  More offerings are available!-gear.jpg  
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 9, 2018, 02:07 PM
  #33  
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
iTrader: (60)
 
kaj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
Posts: 13,620
Received 812 Likes on 677 Posts
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
I really think the dry sump stuff is overkill unless the car is on slicks and/or has lots of aero.
Yeeeeeesssss.... that's the plan. Eventually. Once the shortcomings are addressed, that is.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 10, 2018, 06:58 AM
  #34  
EvoM Guru
 
Bee-Raddd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: auckland, new zealand
Posts: 1,383
Received 273 Likes on 203 Posts
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
I really think the dry sump stuff is overkill unless the car is on slicks and/or has lots of aero. Typical APR wing and splitter with NT01's doesn't pull enough G. I mean, PA's car isn't even on a dry sump yet. And their motor failures weren't oil starvation. A good pan is good enough for what a lot of are doing.
This isnt really true. We log oil pressure and had an accusump and we were getting oil starvation on long rh turns on 2 different engines and on 2nd engine 2 diff oil pumps.

We do however have a particularly nasty long rh sweeper here but any decent power car being tracked could consider drysump. Cheap insurance
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 10, 2018, 07:02 AM
  #35  
EvoM Guru
 
Bee-Raddd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: auckland, new zealand
Posts: 1,383
Received 273 Likes on 203 Posts
While we r on the subject what pressures do u guys run ur drysump pumps at?
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 10, 2018, 01:43 PM
  #36  
Evolving Member
 
wanabgts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 153
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
I think the advantage of the tuner kits and stuff is a lot of times because of your particular layout you need to make your own hoses and stuff to put the tank and everything where you want it.

If I was going to buy one myself I would purchase the magnus tuner kit, and make the lines and filters and stuff to suite my car.

Grip is only part of the equation when you are talking about dry sump options. You should also consider oil temps, aeration problems that stem from rpm and horsepower. I spent years trying to skirt the problems with this in a multitude of ways....but in the end the dry sump was the ticket.

Zack
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 10, 2018, 03:05 PM
  #37  
Evolving Member
iTrader: (4)
 
clifhanger87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: boise, ID
Posts: 343
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by bee-raddd
While we r on the subject what pressures do u guys run ur drysump pumps at?
i believe ours is ~40psi at idle and ~80-85 at redline.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 12, 2018, 01:43 PM
  #38  
EvoM Guru
 
Bee-Raddd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: auckland, new zealand
Posts: 1,383
Received 273 Likes on 203 Posts
All the kits u have to make ur own tank lines etc. So u can put ur tank where u want. The only lines that come with the full kit eg norris are the scavenge from sump to pump
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 12, 2018, 01:45 PM
  #39  
EvoM Guru
 
Bee-Raddd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: auckland, new zealand
Posts: 1,383
Received 273 Likes on 203 Posts
Originally Posted by clifhanger87
i believe ours is ~40psi at idle and ~80-85 at redline.
**** even when we back my pump pressure right off its still 90psi at redline.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 12, 2018, 02:05 PM
  #40  
Evolved Member
iTrader: (32)
 
Kidloco51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 1,435
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Mine is seeing 90+ at redline with pump backed off as well. Where are you guys measuring oil pressure?
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 13, 2018, 07:10 AM
  #41  
Evolving Member
iTrader: (4)
 
clifhanger87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: boise, ID
Posts: 343
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by Kidloco51
Mine is seeing 90+ at redline with pump backed off as well. Where are you guys measuring oil pressure?
at the outlet of the filter right before it goes into the engine.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 13, 2018, 09:15 AM
  #42  
Evolved Member
iTrader: (32)
 
Kidloco51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 1,435
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Originally Posted by clifhanger87
at the outlet of the filter right before it goes into the engine.
Ok thats where I am at.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 13, 2018, 10:26 AM
  #43  
Evolved Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Driv200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 739
Received 55 Likes on 38 Posts
Today, I pulled the trigger with Dailey Engineering. I look forward to inroducing them on this thread and/or starting a dedicated Dailey Engineering Dry Sump Build Thread as we move forward. Obviously, the goal is to share with all of you and drive more business their way. This has been an amazing undertaking and education just in research. The service and quick customer support has been equally amazing leading up to this point.

Stay Tuned!
The following users liked this post:
Kidloco51 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 13, 2018, 02:58 PM
  #44  
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
iTrader: (60)
 
kaj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
Posts: 13,620
Received 812 Likes on 677 Posts
Originally Posted by Driv200
Today, I pulled the trigger with Dailey Engineering. I look forward to inroducing them on this thread and/or starting a dedicated Dailey Engineering Dry Sump Build Thread as we move forward. Obviously, the goal is to share with all of you and drive more business their way. This has been an amazing undertaking and education just in research. The service and quick customer support has been equally amazing leading up to this point.

Stay Tuned!
I am really impressed with their service in regards to my email. I made it clear to them that I was just trying to gather info from different vendors, not looking to buy just yet. They didn't treat me like a tire kicker. They still treated me well.
I'm looking forward to seeing how their support continues, once the product is purchased. That will be the real test.
Congrats! I'm jealous. Their kit is super sexy and I'm sure that's the direction I'll be going.
The following users liked this post:
Driv200 (Jan 13, 2018)
Old Jan 13, 2018, 03:20 PM
  #45  
Evolved Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Driv200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 739
Received 55 Likes on 38 Posts
Kaj, I couldn't agree more.


Quick Reply: Dry Sump Thread: More offerings are available!



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:01 AM.