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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 08:17 PM
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I have FSB brackets for the front but have no clue which hole is stock, much less softer or stiffer
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alpinaturbo
Dallas, LFB? What does that mean?
Sorry, its long day at work and am tired.

So stock bar with Cusco brackets set to full soft, 70% of OEM stiffness, is "best" so far.

And you get 60mm of roll correction? 50mm from the uprights and 10mm from the arm-extended ball-joint stud?
And rear bar is 25 or 26 mm?

Thing is, your setup is so far away from ours, that I can relate to Balrok's feedback but yours is really way way unique.
I can see 700/900 being nice on track.

I wish you would do some track-events to feel the car in longer radius corners and at higher speeds.
Sorry, LFB = Left Foot Brake. Basically overloading the tires with a little jab to try and get them to bite. I dont like the technique, prefer to keep all my braking in a straight line with out over weighted front tires.

700-800 front and 1100-1200 rear would be an excellent track rate but my rates are certainly more suited for low speed stuff. Ive done track days at the aforementioned rates but not my current setup. If I were headed to the track I would certainly put rear bar at full soft to start and may end up at full stiff in the front if I needed more stability. Easy enough to creep up on it at speed.

As it was, my car would rotate on light lift to tighten a corner and I could scrub speed that way, or straighten out on light throttle. Im so use to this, I really struggle getting into RWD cars because my muscle memory is to roll into throttle in a slide to straighten things out.
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
I have FSB brackets for the front but have no clue which hole is stock, much less softer or stiffer
If you have it installed as the directions state, the most stiff setting is an "evo x" setting and your bar wont reach it. So you have the inner 3 points with the middle being stock. Easy enough to look at it and know between the bolts is stock. If you flip Left/Right then you gain an extra soft setting. Thats what I run.
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
If you have it installed as the directions state, the most stiff setting is an "evo x" setting and your bar wont reach it. So you have the inner 3 points with the middle being stock. Easy enough to look at it and know between the bolts is stock. If you flip Left/Right then you gain an extra soft setting. Thats what I run.
K. So the farther in, the softer?
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
K. So the farther in, the softer?
No, the bar is a spring. Just like when you cut a coil spring, if you make it shorter, it becomes stiffer. Moving to a more inward holes decreases the bar's effective length, thus making it stiffer.

On a similar note, if you're driving a track with significantly more left or right turns you can run unequal holes to make the bar more of less stiff in one turn vs another. Just like you how can preload a bar on one side to have a similar effect.

Dallas, have you considered going to a smaller than stock front bar?
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
No, the bar is a spring. Just like when you cut a coil spring, if you make it shorter, it becomes stiffer. Moving to a more inward holes decreases the bar's effective length, thus making it stiffer.

On a similar note, if you're driving a track with significantly more left or right turns you can run unequal holes to make the bar more of less stiff in one turn vs another. Just like you how can preload a bar on one side to have a similar effect.

Dallas, have you considered going to a smaller than stock front bar?
Hes talking about the adjustable brackets not on the bar. Going inward decreases motion ratio reducing wheel rate so Kaj comment is correct.

I should look into a lighter bar for the front.
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Hes talking about the adjustable brackets not on the bar. Going inward decreases motion ratio reducing wheel rate so Kaj comment is correct.

I should look into a lighter bar for the front.
http://store.uucmotorwerks.com/artic...ybar_setup.htm

Do the holes on the bracket work opposite the holes on an a multihole bar?

Cusco is the only company who makes a smaller front bar.
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
http://store.uucmotorwerks.com/artic...ybar_setup.htm

Do the holes on the bracket work opposite the holes on an a multihole bar?
Yes, think about how far the bar will deflect in roll (one side up, one side down)
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Hes talking about the adjustable brackets not on the bar. Going inward decreases motion ratio reducing wheel rate so Kaj comment is correct.

I should look into a lighter bar for the front.
Gracias for the confirmation.
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 09:10 PM
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sorry we've discussed this a number of times:

Cusco 450 F is the 1 way front diff for USDM cars with ACD t-case, and
& Cusco 141 L15 is the 1.5 way rear diff for non-AYC 9's (and AYC X's) correct?
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
sorry we've discussed this a number of times:

Cusco 450 F is the 1 way front diff for USDM cars with ACD t-case, and
& Cusco 141 L15 is the 1.5 way rear diff for non-AYC 9's (and AYC X's) correct?
For the front the 450 C is the 1way and C15 is the 1.5 way (factory setup, can reconfigure either). I think the F has a steeper ramp angle and does 1way/2way.
The L15 rear is probably what you'd want for track use. I have the FG (the super agro rear diff with high preload) for autoX knowing I need to start putting power down with a wheel in the air.
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Old Aug 13, 2020 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
For the front the 450 C is the 1way and C15 is the 1.5 way (factory setup, can reconfigure either). I think the F has a steeper ramp angle and does 1way/2way.
The L15 rear is probably what you'd want for track use. I have the FG (the super agro rear diff with high preload) for autoX knowing I need to start putting power down with a wheel in the air.
ahh that's right. yea 1-way not super aggressive in front is fine, and then yea l15 for the 1.5way rear. i thought the fg had the same ramp angles for accel (55 degree?) but just as a 1-way instead of a 1.5
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Do any of you guys have opinions on a low inertia clutch? I’m moving to a xshift sequential trans and need to decide what to go with. The Tilton carbon is probably standard but spendy....

thanks

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Old Aug 15, 2020 | 07:40 AM
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Do any of you guys have opinions on a low inertia clutch? I’m moving to a xshift sequential trans and need to decide what to go with. The Tilton carbon is probably standard but spendy....

thanks
How much torque does it need to hold?
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Old Aug 15, 2020 | 04:03 PM
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Torque Transfer Percentages in LSDs

Just wanted to check my understanding on this - for a rear LSD, with ability to basically lock the rear wheels and one wheel is in the air, the torque transfer to the outside wheel is nearly 100%, correct? As the inside wheel in the air needs nearly no torque to spin the same speed as the wheel on the ground? Maybe more like 90% or whatever, but essentially that is what is going on, correct?

Curious also, with a wheel on the ground, maybe like with a front diff - the torque transfer differential would be relatively small, just whatever is worth the difference of going (for example) 60mph on the outside wheel vs 58mph on the inside wheel (whatever the wheel speed difference is that is required)

In other words, big torque transfers when the wheel is doing nearly nothing, but not as much when the wheel is on the ground? That said, I do hear the front LSD makes a huge difference in accelerating out of a corner, so perhaps it is more than just a marginal difference?
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