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Old Jun 5, 2022 | 07:59 PM
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that some persistent oil, still getting thru the foam lol
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Balrok
Time will tell, but I will say from experience that higher up can and shorter hoses will lead to oil eventually depending on boost and engine condition. When that vent also begins sending out "oily air" whatever is under it will get it. In both wet and dry sump setups I ended up mounting the can a low as possible with longer routes to solve the issues - and now I get water vapor like you see there.
FF's didn't come with those battle plates.
My car only has oil breathing problems when pushing hard on the track (clockwise circuits).
Any street, drag or dyno use = zero oil in cans.

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that some persistent oil, still getting thru the foam lol
There is a 12AN line coming directly off the block too, with no filters or foam.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
My car only has oil breathing problems when pushing hard on the track (clockwise circuits).
Any street, drag or dyno use = zero oil in cans.
this is probably due to crank smashing trough lots of oil in right hand turns..
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 05:51 AM
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You, have 15,203 posts you have plenty of time to argue and do.
almost spit out my cereal !!!
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 10:06 AM
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I picked up one of these adapters last year. Bolts onto the front case where the rear balance shaft would live. Suppose I'll find out if too much oil gets pushed up the line.




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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 02:08 PM
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can you actually get a hose to route to that fitting with the alternator/accessory belt routing?
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 02:17 PM
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I think it was CBRD that had a tube welded with a 90 that came straight up and out of the timing cover to the top to connect a hose to. But yeah, the water pump pulley looks to be right there.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 02:55 PM
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
this is probably due to crank smashing trough lots of oil in right hand turns..
Yes and No.
I think it was more to do with the valve cover breathers both being on the gearbox side of the engine. If these were in the middle of the cover, I think there would be less that comes out.
Yes - right hand turns will cover the crankshaft (#4 rods etc) and that will certainly flick lots of oil up the back of the block wall.
But with the new catch can setup (and block breather), the amount of oil in the catch can has reduced by 90%.

Beware about breathing off the rear of the block (balance shaft port included). With crankshaft rotation, there is a lot of oil on the back of the block wall and it will easily get pushed out of the lines. I'm happy with how the front block breather worked.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 08:21 PM
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Any thoughts on if this will work with that front block vent?

Idea would be that if fluid accumulated it will pool at the bottom vent but upper vent will still pull mass flow. Once you lift or oil accumulation exceeds crankcase head then the accumulation will flow back. This would be specific to running with a front block side vent like Mike did.


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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Any thoughts on if this will work with that front block vent?

Idea would be that if fluid accumulated it will pool at the bottom vent but upper vent will still pull mass flow. Once you lift or oil accumulation exceeds crankcase head then the accumulation will flow back. This would be specific to running with a front block side vent like Mike did.
I did think about adding an intermediate catch can in that block line.
With your idea - what if you put the drain back into the pan below the oil line?
This would allow the can to drain back at all times as the oil level in the pan would block the crankcase pressure. (assuming that's correct).
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 07:08 AM
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with stock pcv? that is very low-flow so IMO this can will just hold pressure
this is similar to the vent/pipe from my dipstick(maybe you should drain there). I add a fluid check valve on the drain-back line so flow is one direction and the oil get queued in the drain-hose not in the can
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 08:01 AM
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No, nothing to do with the PCV. It would just pull vacuum from the intake (which there are ways to get really high vacuum using a venturi) so under boost it would pull from a front fitting like Mike just installed then when off boost if the fluid head (a term for fluid pressure relating to height) exceed the vacuum created it will instead flow back with out any need or restriction of a 1way valve.

I also had a little brainstorming session with a few other senior engineers well versed in fluid dynamics and aero dynamics about the most effective way to create that venturi so I might be doing some playing with that soon.
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 08:23 AM
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my earlier 2-stage oil separator setup. you'll probably have lots more vertical/fatter hose so will definitely work better. mine, i think, didnt lower the pressure/velocity of the mix.





LATEST setup (fully vented, no oil in intercooler)


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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 10:14 AM
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I wonder if @ayoustin could design a exhaust cam driven vac pump mount that utilises his rotated cam sensor housing. Kind of like what some companies do with mechanical fuel pumps.

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