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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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If you don't like anything, CBRD (Chad) said that he'll do the email flash thing. He's doing it for Justin.

best thing i've to my car so far!

it's like a whole different machine with just the TBE and the tune.

chad's a great guy to deal with too.

if finances permit over winter into early spring i am hoping to get a bunch of new parts and get my car on the dyno at CBRD.

it's always such a tough decision between suspension and power though, haha. wish i could do it all next week.
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thegame
I threw down 270 whp and 265 lb-ft on CBRD's mustang dyno. Seems low, but I guess you figure at least 10% loss vs a dynojet. (300 on a dynojet) Chad said with my mods, that's right where I should be. And I might add, that I'm now boosting a safer 21 psi and running a much safer knock free map than big Al's 23+psi "toon." So I guess I'm happy with the number. I'm happy with the car, most importantly, and the service these guys provided. I've never been to a shop that would discount your final price for taking too long... Nothing but class. And my MBC decided to take a **** on the dyno (of all times to break). No problem, Chad fixed it with a new one! Great review, thanks again Chad and Mark!

My mods were: HKS catback, HKS downpipe, Works Hi Flow cat (the power killer!!!), GSC S1 cams, HKS intake, Hallman MBC, and a Winebro Fuel pump. Stock everything else.
The end result looks like I may have to stop being a tree hugger and ****can the cat!

I never really truly realized how you guys with the IX's make sick power with so little. It's like having aftermarket cams, stock.

CBRD is having some dyno days for only like $55 dollars for 4 pulls. Boost and Wideband. That's a steal! Or also a Jester tuning day for those interested in his tune. I don't really think Jester would do much more than Chad would though...
thanks for the kind words...

JESTR is very accomplished, we are excited to have them in our shop.... we love being able to work with other reputable tuners.... we will probably play with our own 2.3 car when they are here.... we can all learn from each other...

yes...55 for 4 pulls with boost and wideband is a great package price we think...

we have a great time everytime evo clients walk in the door...

cheers

thanks brian...

cb
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Thegame
True Dan, true...

Read this if you have a Dynoflash. I'm not in any way knocking (no pun intended) Al's tune or ability. Thousands of guys are running his tunes with zero problems. I had to get retuned, so I just wanted to fix some of what I thought Al's flaws were. Many other tuners will agree with some.

Jeremy, disregarding supporting mods and the increased air flow (more boost capability), it seems that a lot of tuners vary the boost they run in clients cars. What they may lose or gain in the boost variable, they can make up for or sacrifice in timing or A/F variables. Some tuners prefer lower boost with leaner A/F's and/or more advanced timing. Other tuners like super high boost with richer A/F's and less timing advance. This is only applicable to a certain extent, obviously. You can't run 15 lbs of boost and throw 32 degrees of timing and expect the same result as 20 lbs of boost with 6 degrees advanced timing. As long as you personally are not knocking, I'm sure it's all good. I'm not sure which way is "better," but as long as it's safe, making power, and not knocking, I'm sure it's fine.

My personal ignition timing and fuel maps were a "little funny" from big Al. Just looking at the cells, there were places that just didn't make any sense to use... Chad explained it to me. AF's went from like 14 at 2,000 rpms, then slowly but surely they richen up or lean out, whatever (the way they're supposed to). The problem was this... In a series of cells ranging from 14 before boost kicks in, 11 or so whenever boost kicks in, then richening up at redline to like 10 or whatever. Al had a random 15 (or some off the wall number) in the middle of the cells that made absolutely no sense. It was almost an "accident." And I was getting an unreasonable amount of knock for a "custom tuned" car (some attributed to the 94 - 93 octane switch I had to do.) I actually got rid of most knock with some 104 / 93 mixture! At any rate, Al's a competant tuner, don't think that he's not. I'm sure your car is great if you're winning 1st / 2nd place trophies! You may want to log your car just for the hell of it and see what's up. If you don't like anything, CBRD (Chad) said that he'll do the email flash thing. He's doing it for Justin.

Another horrible thing about Al's tune is this. The stock ECU factory flash has both "high octane" and "low octane" fuel and ignition maps. The low is for the dumba$$ that puts 87 in the tank. Well, big ol' Al doesn't think it's neccessary for a low octane map. So he just copies the High octane map for the low octane map. Not very safe. No margin for error. If you enctounter a severe bad tank of gas or anything like that, the stock ECU switches to the low octane map, only to find that the maps are the same! The ECU will still pull timing to an extent, but words from many different tuners are that it will only compensate for moderate detonation or pre ignition. You can't pull timing to control 28 counts of knock!!! That's where the low octane map comes into play. It will switch to a less agressive map. Usually, the low octane map is just the same map with either fuel added or timing retarded a little. Just as a safegaurd. I'm more happy to know that my car has a "back-up plan."

Anyhow, to answer the question, boost is just another variable. With more boost, you don't run as aggressive timing and ignition maps and vice versa. I guess a proper balance of both is optimal. This is only to a certain extent though.

Sorry, I'm bored... I didn't mean to write my own novel! LOL
as much as i can say i dont care for Al sometimes, he has tuned more evo's than we have... but the map in this car was "weird" and had some knock...

but... different fuel... etc... we did what we do to make it smooth and consistent... 3-5 pulls back to back... no knock... etc...

then again, AL has an evo with more power than my shop car LOL... but i have a weenie 35R on mine

cb
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Thegame
though.

Sorry, I'm bored... I didn't mean to write my own novel! LOL
Sounds like it was worth the trip to get the low octane map set up right. Around these parts not all 93 octane is the same. After trying lots of stations near me there are lots of cheaters. (Never go to the BP in sq. hill)
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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Trip was cancelled so I will be at the meet, mark me down dave
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 05:23 AM
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Day before meet bump.

Next Local Pittsburgh Meet
This Saturday July 14, 2007 8:00pm
Waterfront, behind Loews AMC theater


Confirmed:
SteelCityEvo8(FAST 30r)
Evol.ved(bpu+cams)
EvoDan(bpu+cams)
LancerEVO(IX)
Friend of LancerEVO(VIII)
Posey75(IX mr)
PettyPab2133(EvoGreen IX)
SteveEvo8(BPU+ cams)
bvdawg13(3065+meth)
TheGame(bpu+cams)
EVO2DSM(IX)
Jabba08(BPU VIII)
Apexi4G63(dsm)
Lostsolvtec(IX)
Yellow VIII
Black IX
Travmann(BPU IX)
?White VIII rs
?jerdeitzel(VIII race car)
?projectrsx(VIII BPU + cams

? = maybe

Looks like another good turnout. Probably 20 or more EVO's.
Could be a record.


Please post if you plan on attending.


Thanks,
Dave & Dan

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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 06:18 AM
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Ok so i ran at PRP yesterda, i dont know wats going on with that track but i could not launch! i normally will basically drop the clutch and spin some wheel but last night it would only wheel hop, so i tried to slowly let the clutch out and still just wheel hop and by having this terrible wheel hop, it wouldnt let me go into 2nd.....the track also seemed slow or the clocks were off.

my best time was a 12.4 and i had a bad launch and missed 5th, the run that felt the best to me ended up being a 12.7 so i dont understand this track, ive never had a harder time driving before
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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Well guys tonight is the night i give my car the cleaning of the summer. Looks like tomorrow will be an amazing meet.

Steve
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 07:41 AM
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Whats your mph? the et dosnt show us much. What kinda tire pressure are you running? Was this on Meth also?
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
Whats your mph? the et dosnt show us much. What kinda tire pressure are you running? Was this on Meth also?
i dont remember the mph, i saw ended up throwing all the papers out cuz they were such bad runs, tire pressure is probably about 35 and yes its with meth
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Well tire pressure seems alittle high for the track. You should try and lower them next time and see if that helps. I agree that track somtimes feels slow.
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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would lowering the tire pressure help my tires spin tho? i always feel i have a better launch wen my wheels are spinning it lets me into 2nd easier and quicker
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 10:13 AM
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Hey guys, we might have another local coming. Nothing confirmed though, but i will talk with him tonight.

What time do most of you guys plan on arriving?

Steve
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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Well maybe not. you never no till you try tho. How about your suspension. are you on stock or coilovers. Tire pressure is the first thing i'd fool with to try and fix the wheel hop. I'm sure you can get better advice from some of the drag racers from around here. Good luck either way tho. I'm sure your not very happy at this point. So were you locked out of second? That happens to me quite a bit.
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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ya during the wheel hop my second gear dissapeared......im on stock MR suspension and i have never had a problem on any other track or street and i even raced last weekend .....my friend in his sti was having a problem as well and another guy in his legacy...who knows?



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