hey are you going to matt at swift to get tuned? me and my buddy are going this saturday for a tune. and i'm getting retuned.

 

july 26th my evo , my buddy nicks evo , an sti , and some new 8th gen civics too.

 

He said he is going to Sean Ivey for his tune.

Also, im not too impressed with Swift since the last two car shows I was at they showed pretty poor business practices imo. To hook a lap top up to someone's car (not mine) and tell them their tune is bad is just not ethical. First, soliciting busines at a car show isn't the best way to run your shop. Second, Matt (I think thats his name) stood their and trashed Al from Dynoflash for a while saying the tune he was looking at was horrible.

Its sad when all the cyber muscle is flexed on forums trashing shops and vendors....all these guys have enough to worry about.....but to a here a shop do it at a car show is just disgusting imo. Im not a tuner....I have no idea if Al's tune was good or not....but he just tuned the car im talking about two days earlier so trashing him was just wrong.

Maybe when your car is tuned you can bring it to Sean Ivey, Dynoflash, AMS, Buschur, Mellon, Pruven, or any other tuner on the east coast and they can pick apart Swift and tell you their tune is trash as well.

Makes you really think about the big picture of our import world.

 

For all the Pruven Performance haters out there here is a youtube vid of Dan installing my aem when I put down 524whp....we'll see what the car puts down on the built 2.0 and ported head Saturday.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=356513

 

I looked at his car because he asked me too, not because I was trying to sell him on a tune. From another thread in this forum:
What I saw prompted me to comment due to the safety factor of the tune. When low octane fuel maps are set more lean than high octane fuel maps and ALL timing maps are set exactly the same, there is very little left to save a motor from a bad tank of gas. It doesn't matter if it's a tune or a poorly installed piece of hardware, if it isn't safe then I will say something, especially if i am ASKED for my opinion.

I never said anything about Al being a bad tuner, all I talked about was his poor treatment of customers, which can't be debated.

 

Ya maybe they are good at tuning but using 2 different dyno jets front and rear will just screw up you center diff. i've heard enough of people ***** about there center diff being screwed up after using pruvens dyno

 

I've been tuned by matt and getting retuned again due to getting bigger injectors , fuel rail and front mount. Matts customers service skills are top notch and his tuning is up there as well. I recommend him to everyone and use my car as an example of how good he is. Even if he did say things about AL which he didn't cause i was at the car show it would of all been true. Al is way over cocky and very rude. I've talked to him for 5 minutes on the phone and wanted to hang up on him. every other word is bro and very pushy. I've heard nothing but bad things about him from evo guys and sti guys.

 

yes i did ask matt to look at my car to see his opinion on it. it was nice for him to do take the time and do that for me. thanks for that by the way. but i am going to get retuned by ivey. the first time with al was awesome on my stock turbo. did an great job. then all of a suden i upgraded alot of my parts, and did this all my self, i belive he felt that he should give me a crapt tune. its a game there in my opinion. i dont even want to go further into detail about this bc i could type for hours about all the crapy service i got there and the way i got treated at ics. just sucks bc i give him 450 to tune my car then all he says is, "your car is a peice of $hit, all it is doing is knocking" blah blah blah. just so much crap. with ivey he even told me that he is going to show me everything and explain everything to me. he seems like a great guy that is not going to f me over. and a lot of my friends went there and said he was a great guy and does an amazing job on tuning. wat al did to me that day, i will never look twice going back there again.

 

where u going golfing!? let me know so i can meet up with u after u go golfing or something to go cruising. hit up lunch or sutten. ill give u a ring

ill deff be down if i get retuned before than. hope i don't get kick out ahah.

 

I will apologize for him asking you to look at his tune...this must of happened prior too the show since I saw the car in question pull up and everything after. Matt you walked over and asked to plug into his ecu (so maybe this was prompted before that day and I was unaware) but what you said about Al is undisputable. My friend was with me who is a subaru legacy owner, doesn't even come on this board, and heard the conversation as well. I will admit you were sort of tactful at first, but your partner with the "Lion King Tatoo" on his arm was pretty rude. I don't know his name but he drives the Swift STI and is at all these local shows.

Im not debating Dynoflash customer service or ability since Al doesn't tune my car. However, he tunes a lot of cars in this country so from one tuner to another to discredit his abilities is wrong imo.

BTW Im not a young kid who is starting trouble. Im 30 and my buddy is 27 and we only went to these shows to meet some local guys. I have spent a lot of time in the import world and am just not a big fan of all the negative crap flung at each others shops period.

 

I want to meet you in person. You are histerical. Two different dyno jets????? Al from "Dynoflash" used to use Pruven's dyno when he first started his business....do you have any idea how many cars have been put on that dyno...hundreds.... so this comment is awesome. BTW my car was on this dyno at
227whp
285whp
320whp
367whp
504 whp
524 whp
Coming Saturday?
These dates start back in April of 2005. I bought my car brand new in July of 2004. I have had so many dyno pulls on Pruven's dyno its not even funny and my car rocks the stock tranny, transfer case, etc. No drivetrain issues at all.
I understand you have loyalty to your tuner which is fine but to knock another shop you have to have solid proof. Something like I don't know (standing behind them listening to their actions in person) But to say (sooooooo many people have had center diff issues on a tuner's dyno is not concrete evidence)

I would ask for you to name some of these people that had this specific issue on their dyno. Post up their names and I would like to contact them directly because if it happend to their evo's than I would of course be concerened it will happen to mine.

 

Hey man...I wasn't defending Dynoflash. You told me what happened and I think its messed up for sure. I also didn't realize you asked Matt before hand to look at your ecu. I was just stating what I saw that day. Anyway Sean is a great guy from everything I have read and should take great care of you. I hope everything turns out great since you have the right combo of parts to make some awesome numbers.

 

I try to not waste any time to trash talk any other tuner what so ever. Such behavior is unprofessional and IMHO lowers yourself as a person. At times it can be quite a challenge to stay on the high ground but I have found over time that it is the best path.

I am sure customers are smart enough to read through this kind of negative marketing tactic.

It is hard to argue with the results that my customers have achieved at the track and in terms of long term reliability.

Al

 

I am sorry that you had a bad expereince at ICS.

As you experienced the first time when you were tuned, if a car is showing me a good data log and accepatable levels of knock at normal boost, a/f and timing levels it is a rather easy process to complete the tune and get the power the customer wants.

However, in the case of a more highly modified car, (SOMETIMES) , we see rather vexing situations where knock counts are registered which are UNREALATED TO actual pre-ignition / detonation. In these cases, the harmonics of the engine and the reonanace of the aftermarket parts can result in a ecu which picks up sounds it registers as knock counts - pulling timing.

In those situations, I don't just finish the tune and send the customer on his / her way.

Rather, I try and explain what is going on to the customer and let them know that there is some mechanical noise / sound which is triggering false knock counts in the ecu.

In the case of a car which is doing this, I like to have the customer look over all his / her work underneath to make sure no exhuast pipe is banging on the oil pan or cross member, make sure that all motor and trans mounting bolts are tight and make sure that no fmic pipe is banging on anything.

Also, I like to have the customer change out the gas in the car with some fresh pump gas has sometimes a really bad load of gas can trigger this kind of condition.

When I run crosss a car showing unexplained knock counts which I feel are not related to pre-igntion or detonation then it can be frustrating for both the customer and myself as with that kind of condition it is unwise / unsafe to complete the tune.

In your specific situation, if you have had a chance to check the car out mechanically and verify that nothing is loose, I would be happy to have you come back for a free re-tune on the dyno and see how the car is reacting now on a fresh tank of gas and see if hopefully the problem is corrected.

When a car is exhibiting unexplained knock counts on the stock ecu, and we have not built / wrenched on the car, all I can do is explain the situation to the customer and let them know about the situation which is what I have done in your case.

I am sorry that you feel so disappointed, especially after previously having a positive experience that last time we tuned you.

As I said above, I would like to offer you a free dyno session / free retune to look at how the car is reacting and see if I can now complete the tune. I am available on weekends, and evening hours as needed to accomidate your schedule. Just PM me and let me know when a good time would be for you.

Thanks

Al


PS - A afterthought. I have seen this condition lately on a few cars with Aftermarket turbo kits which have short open dump tubes for the wastegate. This is particularly the case on Evo IX's. I suspect that in those cases the loud noise reonating against the block of the engine may be triggering the knock sesnor. The soultion in those situations may be to direct the dump tune into the down pipe or route itso the discharge is further away from the engine block. Just an observation.

Al

 

Just FYI - for what it is worth

I tuned for nearly 4 years on a daily basis at Pruven on their Dyno Jet. At times we were so busy we would be dynoing 5 Evos a day.

I tuned a LOT of Evos there.

In all that time, I never saw ONE Evo have any problem with thier dyno what so ever - none.

Now if you have a AWD Porsche Turbo, it is not the dyno I would recomend. But for Evos there is no problem what so ever to use the Pruven dyno which from my recollection is nearly idential to the Turbo Trixs dyno.

Al