Connecticut Evos
yes i did ask matt to look at my car to see his opinion on it. it was nice for him to do take the time and do that for me. thanks for that by the way. but i am going to get retuned by ivey. the first time with al was awesome on my stock turbo. did an great job. then all of a suden i upgraded alot of my parts, and did this all my self, i belive he felt that he should give me a crapt tune. its a game there in my opinion. i dont even want to go further into detail about this bc i could type for hours about all the crapy service i got there and the way i got treated at ics. just sucks bc i give him 450 to tune my car then all he says is, "your car is a peice of $hit, all it is doing is knocking" blah blah blah. just so much crap. with ivey he even told me that he is going to show me everything and explain everything to me. he seems like a great guy that is not going to f me over. and a lot of my friends went there and said he was a great guy and does an amazing job on tuning. wat al did to me that day, i will never look twice going back there again.
If you want me to tune the car the charge is $450, I will check it out and if there is a mechanical issue then it will have to be fixed. Sometimes when customers install their own parts there are errors made, and this can influence the outcome of the tune.
There is no need to F you over, we are just here to do good work, make some money to keep the lights on, and hopefully at the end of the whole process you can see enough to satisfy yourself that we did our best.
Either way call me when you are ready, the first thing will be to put it on the dyno and see exactly what is going on with it before any money is collected!
Then we can attack AL! j/k
Sean
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Dan @ Pruven
Multi post of the day since I have experience or knowledge in most of this matter...
I think Dan has proven him self in the past to make the power (no pun intended) 
I am golfing in Manchester on Sunday. I will be down either Friday night or Saturday. ( I will PM you my cell #)
I had my evo on the Pruven dyno back in 05, no issues at all.
I have had my car tuned by Al multiple times (at pruven in CT in 05 and ran low 12's w/int & exh. and at DDP in Vegas in 06 or 07 ran high 11's with (int,cams,exh,100oct) BUT his customer service that I have seen with some people is questionable at best. I never had an issue at all personally, (maybe cuz my car was one of those that didnt give him issues)
To redyno and relook at the tune for free is a standup thing to do and I think that is the way customer service should be.
+1
+1 for Ivey Tune!! 
For all the Pruven Performance haters out there here is a youtube vid of Dan installing my aem when I put down 524whp....we'll see what the car puts down on the built 2.0 and ported head Saturday.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=356513
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=356513
ahah.I want to meet you in person. You are histerical. Two different dyno jets????? Al from "Dynoflash" used to use Pruven's dyno when he first started his business....do you have any idea how many cars have been put on that dyno...hundreds.... so this comment is awesome. BTW my car was on this dyno at
227whp
285whp
320whp
367whp
504 whp
524 whp
Coming Saturday?
These dates start back in April of 2005. I bought my car brand new in July of 2004. I have had so many dyno pulls on Pruven's dyno its not even funny and my car rocks the stock tranny, transfer case, etc. No drivetrain issues at all.
I understand you have loyalty to your tuner which is fine but to knock another shop you have to have solid proof. Something like I don't know (standing behind them listening to their actions in person) But to say (sooooooo many people have had center diff issues on a tuner's dyno is not concrete evidence)
I would ask for you to name some of these people that had this specific issue on their dyno. Post up their names and I would like to contact them directly because if it happend to their evo's than I would of course be concerened it will happen to mine.
227whp
285whp
320whp
367whp
504 whp
524 whp
Coming Saturday?
These dates start back in April of 2005. I bought my car brand new in July of 2004. I have had so many dyno pulls on Pruven's dyno its not even funny and my car rocks the stock tranny, transfer case, etc. No drivetrain issues at all.
I understand you have loyalty to your tuner which is fine but to knock another shop you have to have solid proof. Something like I don't know (standing behind them listening to their actions in person) But to say (sooooooo many people have had center diff issues on a tuner's dyno is not concrete evidence)
I would ask for you to name some of these people that had this specific issue on their dyno. Post up their names and I would like to contact them directly because if it happend to their evo's than I would of course be concerened it will happen to mine.
I am sorry that you had a bad expereince at ICS.
As you experienced the first time when you were tuned, if a car is showing me a good data log and accepatable levels of knock at normal boost, a/f and timing levels it is a rather easy process to complete the tune and get the power the customer wants.
However, in the case of a more highly modified car, (SOMETIMES) , we see rather vexing situations where knock counts are registered which are UNREALATED TO actual pre-ignition / detonation. In these cases, the harmonics of the engine and the reonanace of the aftermarket parts can result in a ecu which picks up sounds it registers as knock counts - pulling timing.
In those situations, I don't just finish the tune and send the customer on his / her way.
Rather, I try and explain what is going on to the customer and let them know that there is some mechanical noise / sound which is triggering false knock counts in the ecu.
In the case of a car which is doing this, I like to have the customer look over all his / her work underneath to make sure no exhuast pipe is banging on the oil pan or cross member, make sure that all motor and trans mounting bolts are tight and make sure that no fmic pipe is banging on anything.
Also, I like to have the customer change out the gas in the car with some fresh pump gas has sometimes a really bad load of gas can trigger this kind of condition.
When I run crosss a car showing unexplained knock counts which I feel are not related to pre-igntion or detonation then it can be frustrating for both the customer and myself as with that kind of condition it is unwise / unsafe to complete the tune.
In your specific situation, if you have had a chance to check the car out mechanically and verify that nothing is loose, I would be happy to have you come back for a free re-tune on the dyno and see how the car is reacting now on a fresh tank of gas and see if hopefully the problem is corrected.
When a car is exhibiting unexplained knock counts on the stock ecu, and we have not built / wrenched on the car, all I can do is explain the situation to the customer and let them know about the situation which is what I have done in your case.
I am sorry that you feel so disappointed, especially after previously having a positive experience that last time we tuned you.
As I said above, I would like to offer you a free dyno session / free retune to look at how the car is reacting and see if I can now complete the tune. I am available on weekends, and evening hours as needed to accomidate your schedule. Just PM me and let me know when a good time would be for you.
Thanks
Al
PS - A afterthought. I have seen this condition lately on a few cars with Aftermarket turbo kits which have short open dump tubes for the wastegate. This is particularly the case on Evo IX's. I suspect that in those cases the loud noise reonating against the block of the engine may be triggering the knock sesnor. The soultion in those situations may be to direct the dump tune into the down pipe or route itso the discharge is further away from the engine block. Just an observation.
Al
As you experienced the first time when you were tuned, if a car is showing me a good data log and accepatable levels of knock at normal boost, a/f and timing levels it is a rather easy process to complete the tune and get the power the customer wants.
However, in the case of a more highly modified car, (SOMETIMES) , we see rather vexing situations where knock counts are registered which are UNREALATED TO actual pre-ignition / detonation. In these cases, the harmonics of the engine and the reonanace of the aftermarket parts can result in a ecu which picks up sounds it registers as knock counts - pulling timing.
In those situations, I don't just finish the tune and send the customer on his / her way.
Rather, I try and explain what is going on to the customer and let them know that there is some mechanical noise / sound which is triggering false knock counts in the ecu.
In the case of a car which is doing this, I like to have the customer look over all his / her work underneath to make sure no exhuast pipe is banging on the oil pan or cross member, make sure that all motor and trans mounting bolts are tight and make sure that no fmic pipe is banging on anything.
Also, I like to have the customer change out the gas in the car with some fresh pump gas has sometimes a really bad load of gas can trigger this kind of condition.
When I run crosss a car showing unexplained knock counts which I feel are not related to pre-igntion or detonation then it can be frustrating for both the customer and myself as with that kind of condition it is unwise / unsafe to complete the tune.
In your specific situation, if you have had a chance to check the car out mechanically and verify that nothing is loose, I would be happy to have you come back for a free re-tune on the dyno and see how the car is reacting now on a fresh tank of gas and see if hopefully the problem is corrected.
When a car is exhibiting unexplained knock counts on the stock ecu, and we have not built / wrenched on the car, all I can do is explain the situation to the customer and let them know about the situation which is what I have done in your case.
I am sorry that you feel so disappointed, especially after previously having a positive experience that last time we tuned you.
As I said above, I would like to offer you a free dyno session / free retune to look at how the car is reacting and see if I can now complete the tune. I am available on weekends, and evening hours as needed to accomidate your schedule. Just PM me and let me know when a good time would be for you.
Thanks
Al
PS - A afterthought. I have seen this condition lately on a few cars with Aftermarket turbo kits which have short open dump tubes for the wastegate. This is particularly the case on Evo IX's. I suspect that in those cases the loud noise reonating against the block of the engine may be triggering the knock sesnor. The soultion in those situations may be to direct the dump tune into the down pipe or route itso the discharge is further away from the engine block. Just an observation.
Al
To redyno and relook at the tune for free is a standup thing to do and I think that is the way customer service should be.
Just FYI - for what it is worth
I tuned for nearly 4 years on a daily basis at Pruven on their Dyno Jet. At times we were so busy we would be dynoing 5 Evos a day.
I tuned a LOT of Evos there.
In all that time, I never saw ONE Evo have any problem with thier dyno what so ever - none.
Now if you have a AWD Porsche Turbo, it is not the dyno I would recomend. But for Evos there is no problem what so ever to use the Pruven dyno which from my recollection is nearly idential to the Turbo Trixs dyno.
Al
I tuned for nearly 4 years on a daily basis at Pruven on their Dyno Jet. At times we were so busy we would be dynoing 5 Evos a day.
I tuned a LOT of Evos there.
In all that time, I never saw ONE Evo have any problem with thier dyno what so ever - none.
Now if you have a AWD Porsche Turbo, it is not the dyno I would recomend. But for Evos there is no problem what so ever to use the Pruven dyno which from my recollection is nearly idential to the Turbo Trixs dyno.
Al
Remember as discussed Al is a professional peer and I cannot engage in any trash talking or undermining of the guys business.
If you want me to tune the car the charge is $450, I will check it out and if there is a mechanical issue then it will have to be fixed. Sometimes when customers install their own parts there are errors made, and this can influence the outcome of the tune.
There is no need to F you over, we are just here to do good work, make some money to keep the lights on, and hopefully at the end of the whole process you can see enough to satisfy yourself that we did our best.
Either way call me when you are ready, the first thing will be to put it on the dyno and see exactly what is going on with it before any money is collected!
Then we can attack AL! j/k
Sean
If you want me to tune the car the charge is $450, I will check it out and if there is a mechanical issue then it will have to be fixed. Sometimes when customers install their own parts there are errors made, and this can influence the outcome of the tune.
There is no need to F you over, we are just here to do good work, make some money to keep the lights on, and hopefully at the end of the whole process you can see enough to satisfy yourself that we did our best.
Either way call me when you are ready, the first thing will be to put it on the dyno and see exactly what is going on with it before any money is collected!
Then we can attack AL! j/k
Sean
I am sorry that you had a bad expereince at ICS.
As you experienced the first time when you were tuned, if a car is showing me a good data log and accepatable levels of knock at normal boost, a/f and timing levels it is a rather easy process to complete the tune and get the power the customer wants.
However, in the case of a more highly modified car, (SOMETIMES) , we see rather vexing situations where knock counts are registered which are UNREALATED TO actual pre-ignition / detonation. In these cases, the harmonics of the engine and the reonanace of the aftermarket parts can result in a ecu which picks up sounds it registers as knock counts - pulling timing.
In those situations, I don't just finish the tune and send the customer on his / her way.
Rather, I try and explain what is going on to the customer and let them know that there is some mechanical noise / sound which is triggering false knock counts in the ecu.
In the case of a car which is doing this, I like to have the customer look over all his / her work underneath to make sure no exhuast pipe is banging on the oil pan or cross member, make sure that all motor and trans mounting bolts are tight and make sure that no fmic pipe is banging on anything.
Also, I like to have the customer change out the gas in the car with some fresh pump gas has sometimes a really bad load of gas can trigger this kind of condition.
When I run crosss a car showing unexplained knock counts which I feel are not related to pre-igntion or detonation then it can be frustrating for both the customer and myself as with that kind of condition it is unwise / unsafe to complete the tune.
In your specific situation, if you have had a chance to check the car out mechanically and verify that nothing is loose, I would be happy to have you come back for a free re-tune on the dyno and see how the car is reacting now on a fresh tank of gas and see if hopefully the problem is corrected.
When a car is exhibiting unexplained knock counts on the stock ecu, and we have not built / wrenched on the car, all I can do is explain the situation to the customer and let them know about the situation which is what I have done in your case.
I am sorry that you feel so disappointed, especially after previously having a positive experience that last time we tuned you.
As I said above, I would like to offer you a free dyno session / free retune to look at how the car is reacting and see if I can now complete the tune. I am available on weekends, and evening hours as needed to accomidate your schedule. Just PM me and let me know when a good time would be for you.
Thanks
Al
PS - A afterthought. I have seen this condition lately on a few cars with Aftermarket turbo kits which have short open dump tubes for the wastegate. This is particularly the case on Evo IX's. I suspect that in those cases the loud noise reonating against the block of the engine may be triggering the knock sesnor. The soultion in those situations may be to direct the dump tune into the down pipe or route itso the discharge is further away from the engine block. Just an observation.
Al
As you experienced the first time when you were tuned, if a car is showing me a good data log and accepatable levels of knock at normal boost, a/f and timing levels it is a rather easy process to complete the tune and get the power the customer wants.
However, in the case of a more highly modified car, (SOMETIMES) , we see rather vexing situations where knock counts are registered which are UNREALATED TO actual pre-ignition / detonation. In these cases, the harmonics of the engine and the reonanace of the aftermarket parts can result in a ecu which picks up sounds it registers as knock counts - pulling timing.
In those situations, I don't just finish the tune and send the customer on his / her way.
Rather, I try and explain what is going on to the customer and let them know that there is some mechanical noise / sound which is triggering false knock counts in the ecu.
In the case of a car which is doing this, I like to have the customer look over all his / her work underneath to make sure no exhuast pipe is banging on the oil pan or cross member, make sure that all motor and trans mounting bolts are tight and make sure that no fmic pipe is banging on anything.
Also, I like to have the customer change out the gas in the car with some fresh pump gas has sometimes a really bad load of gas can trigger this kind of condition.
When I run crosss a car showing unexplained knock counts which I feel are not related to pre-igntion or detonation then it can be frustrating for both the customer and myself as with that kind of condition it is unwise / unsafe to complete the tune.
In your specific situation, if you have had a chance to check the car out mechanically and verify that nothing is loose, I would be happy to have you come back for a free re-tune on the dyno and see how the car is reacting now on a fresh tank of gas and see if hopefully the problem is corrected.
When a car is exhibiting unexplained knock counts on the stock ecu, and we have not built / wrenched on the car, all I can do is explain the situation to the customer and let them know about the situation which is what I have done in your case.
I am sorry that you feel so disappointed, especially after previously having a positive experience that last time we tuned you.
As I said above, I would like to offer you a free dyno session / free retune to look at how the car is reacting and see if I can now complete the tune. I am available on weekends, and evening hours as needed to accomidate your schedule. Just PM me and let me know when a good time would be for you.
Thanks
Al
PS - A afterthought. I have seen this condition lately on a few cars with Aftermarket turbo kits which have short open dump tubes for the wastegate. This is particularly the case on Evo IX's. I suspect that in those cases the loud noise reonating against the block of the engine may be triggering the knock sesnor. The soultion in those situations may be to direct the dump tune into the down pipe or route itso the discharge is further away from the engine block. Just an observation.
Al
hey al i ant trying to put u down, your a great guy, i just didnt like the way u treated me while i was there. yeah maybe someone stressed u out eariler and u took it out on me. idk. but with the dump tube as u were saying it make loud noise/vibration bc the way it is located. i called up buschur and talked to them, they said they never had one problem with one of there kits they sold that the wastegate dump tube would through off the knock sensor. i also log my car al, and pick up no knock,
idk what ever it is im going to have ivey take it look at it for me see how that goes from there. i didnt want to start no arguements, bash talking, none of that.
hey al i ant trying to put u down, your a great guy, i just didnt like the way u treated me while i was there. yeah maybe someone stressed u out eariler and u took it out on me. idk. but with the dump tube as u were saying it make loud noise/vibration bc the way it is located. i called up buschur and talked to them, they said they never had one problem with one of there kits they sold that the wastegate dump tube would through off the knock sensor. i also log my car al, and pick up no knock, idk what ever it is im going to have ivey take it look at it for me see how that goes from there. i didnt want to start no arguements, bash talking, none of that.
idk what ever it is im going to have ivey take it look at it for me see how that goes from there. i didnt want to start no arguements, bash talking, none of that.Dude I respect your car and just want to see it running the best it can. Hope I see you around once everything is running the way you want.
Hey I owe you an apology. I didn't mean to drag you into what I said about Swift. I do think Al is being a stand up guy willing to give you a free tune but than again Sean is also a great tuner. If I was you I would consider taking Al up on his offer just to give him a chance to make things right but thats just me.
Dude I respect your car and just want to see it running the best it can. Hope I see you around once everything is running the way you want.
Dude I respect your car and just want to see it running the best it can. Hope I see you around once everything is running the way you want.
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ive had experience with Al, pruven, and soon to be Sean on saturday.. Pruven did some work on my motor for my eclipse that crank walked.. a little slow at first but everything worked out in the end.. good people to deal with and from what i hear doing well now.. Al at ICS worked on my evo8.did a good job and was timely with the amount of cars there... Al's a stand up guy... stopped down one night and he was there tuning real late. and also he was there at 12 at night to throw my car on the dyno to make sure everythings fine.. calls me right after and lets me know the deal with the car.. Sean answers my questions.. always replies and ive heard a lot of great things about him.. ill be going there this saturday for a tune.. staatz was there last week and made really good numbers in q16.. im looking foward to seeing Iveytune and Seans tune on the car..
Staatz gave me a ride back from ICS today, my car is there getting a BR 35R kit and supporting mods put on, then a tune by Al. I'll give an update Saturday when it will be done. I plan on doing a big review on Buschur, Dynoflash, and ICS .
staatz ur $hit is weak! ahahhaha j.k homie. im maken an appointment with ivey this weekend so ill be giving u a ring soon. u coming down or what!? hop in my car if ya want or we can cruise down there up too u let me know bro!