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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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No, you still run the risk of hitting something like a curb or a lightpole, maybe even a tree depending on the lot. We've seen someone roll there car too... ish can still happen but its def "safer" IMO.
But with auto-x you will know which portions are sketchy and take it easy there. On a track every turn is a potenial killer.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 11:51 AM
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And insurance will drop you for autox. They recently closed a loophole in how they handle it. Before they'd drop you if it were something like a timed activity or competition and now it's any sort of activity for competition or sport time or untimed. I can't remember the exact wording or details.

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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 11:51 AM
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well maybe not every turn
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by evremonde
But with auto-x you will know which portions are sketchy and take it easy there. On a track every turn is a potenial killer.
Usually the course is designed to avoid those types of obsticles, but ish can still go wrong. Look at what happen to Iman the other week at CBP (the suby that crushed a curb) that could be anyone of us. I'm going to push regardless of what "may" happen if thats where the course goes. You have too if you want to be competetive.

Not trying to scare anyone, autox is as safe as it gets.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BBS
This is probably the largest turn-off for road course racing. Atleast with auto-x, the worst is you can do is get cones stuck up your fender.
Yes... but much safer than experimenting, hot-******* and doing other stupid stuff on regular streets.

Based on my history with doing HPDE, 99% of the time it is the driver's fault. If you can be smart enough to play safe and not exceed your own limits, then the probability of something happening is very limited.

Almost all incidents happen due to:
- attitude & overdriving your car (ie, thinking your car the best, no way that honda CRX can be quicker than your 300hp EVO, or that you are are better than Schumacher)
- Lack of judgment (ie, doing things you don't feel comfortable doing, taking passes when you should not [just because someone give you a pass signal, you don't have to take it], not watching for other drivers)
- Not listening to your instructor
- Equipment failure (which can happen on any other road)

You are actually in a safer environment because:
- Your peer drivers are predictable (you know they are not going to pass without you telling them to, you only go one way, strict rules on passing and going off course, they aren't going to turn left from a right lane, etc.,)
- You are placed in groups of similar driver skills (most end up driving a similar paces so little speed differential)
- Ambulance is right there - no wait time in case of emergency
- You have instructors to guide you along and teach you things
- Nothing really gets into your way on the road (ie, people, animals, debris, gravel, etc.)
- You have extra eyes (corner workers) that alert you if something changed around the corner since last lap.

Anyway, just some thoughts to consider...
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 12:43 PM
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change of topics...

Anyone have a shop manual/disc that i could either borrow or copy some pages from? Going to be installing the roll center kit and motor mount within the next few weeks. It would be nice to know the correct torque specs and such.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 12:44 PM
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double post

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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 12:47 PM
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^^ pretty sure I have this, let me see when I get back home.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by xtnct
Yes... but much safer than experimenting, hot-******* and doing other stupid stuff on regular streets.

Based on my history with doing HPDE, 99% of the time it is the driver's fault. If you can be smart enough to play safe and not exceed your own limits, then the probability of something happening is very limited.

Almost all incidents happen due to:
- attitude & overdriving your car (ie, thinking your car the best, no way that honda CRX can be quicker than your 300hp EVO, or that you are are better than Schumacher)
- Lack of judgment (ie, doing things you don't feel comfortable doing, taking passes when you should not [just because someone give you a pass signal, you don't have to take it], not watching for other drivers)
- Not listening to your instructor
- Equipment failure (which can happen on any other road)

You are actually in a safer environment because:
- Your peer drivers are predictable (you know they are not going to pass without you telling them to, you only go one way, strict rules on passing and going off course, they aren't going to turn left from a right lane, etc.,)
- You are placed in groups of similar driver skills (most end up driving a similar paces so little speed differential)
- Ambulance is right there - no wait time in case of emergency
- You have instructors to guide you along and teach you things
- Nothing really gets into your way on the road (ie, people, animals, debris, gravel, etc.)
- You have extra eyes (corner workers) that alert you if something changed around the corner since last lap.

Anyway, just some thoughts to consider...
Well said
Auto X was the most fun I had in my car until I went to the track
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by evremonde
change of topics...

Anyone have a shop manual/disc that i could either borrow or copy some pages from? Going to be installing the roll center kit and motor mount within the next few weeks. It would be nice to know the correct torque specs and such.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...cs-thread.html
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 01:31 PM
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I just torque everything to 250 lb ft. German spec: nice and tight.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
I just torque everything to 250 lb ft. German spec: nice and tight.
I'm going to have to borrow you torque wrench for the lugnut on my Porsche GT3 RS

Rather, could you come do it!~
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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why you busting on my impact wrench? i've always wanted an air compressed one. i may still get one. i don't care what some bad driving karate master says about it.
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 05:55 PM
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i want some HellaFunctional stickers
Here you go....
http://www.cafepress.com/boostwear.440460046


How about a t-shirt?
http://www.cafepress.com/boostwear
Old Apr 15, 2010 | 06:06 PM
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Injectors are scaled and the tank is full of E85. Woohoo! I already noticed the on off throttle is much smoother and part throttle knock that I could never get rid of is completely gone. I can't wait to start with WOT tomorrow but I think I'll have to raise fuel pressure already until I get another pump.



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