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here's me taking Chau out in the first session on Saturday. it's funny how much i talk with my hands in the car, didn't realize that till i saw the vid. telling chau where to put the car and not follow the car in front. lol
at 2:00 mark, i see a e36 behind me, i thought it was marc and slowed down, then saw that it wan't marc (it was Justin) and took off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPRECLB97Bs&
at 2:00 mark, i see a e36 behind me, i thought it was marc and slowed down, then saw that it wan't marc (it was Justin) and took off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPRECLB97Bs&
and this?
me chasing Marc and Tim around. lol at Dan marking down how many times Marc pointed me by at 2:35. i told Dan i was just going to hang back and see how many point by i can get Marc on video.
Fineberg, here is the guy you said you pointed by. Looks like he is about 2+ seconds quicker than you, lol
funny how we remember one way but the video tells a different story. I am guilty of the same thing.
funny how we remember one way but the video tells a different story. I am guilty of the same thing.
Fineberg, here is the guy you said you pointed by. Looks like he is about 2+ seconds quicker than you, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfHRpOhPkI4
funny how we remember one way but the video tells a different story. I am guilty of the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfHRpOhPkI4
funny how we remember one way but the video tells a different story. I am guilty of the same thing.
I thought I let him by at the appropriate time and didn't hold him up. Am I right? Also what did I say that didn't happen... dude was faster in the turns and I pointed him by, exactly how I remembered it then he pitted in. I really wanted to run behind him to see if I could keep up. That never happened the entire weekend except for that time on 2nd day. That may have been 2nd seesion on Sunday.
Also he did the light bulb way better too, I was a ***** going into it, prolly 10-20 mph slower than I should have been. Other laps I felt like I did those sections better, but video doesn't lie.
Wish I could have seen this video and worked on those areas some more, I know I can do better.
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Marc posted it, Justin. You watch it and tell me what you think...
For the record, I timed my lap following the subie and I timed a 18.3, but I'm sure there's a varience in there... The next lap I knew we were getting the checkers so I backed off to cool the brakes. Mad excuses!
For the record, I timed my lap following the subie and I timed a 18.3, but I'm sure there's a varience in there... The next lap I knew we were getting the checkers so I backed off to cool the brakes. Mad excuses!
Nice lines there grillmeister...I like that you drive your line even when the other people take different (non-)lines.
The STI was pretty much all over the place (I noticed that when I was out in black for a bit Saturday pm) and could have used some help. The other driver I thought was completely out of their element was the TA, which we all know was not cut out for that group, or driving on a race track since he ended his day in a tree.
For the instructors in the group...I meant to mention this to everyone on Sunday's meeting but was fighting off the pukes so I forgot: Point bys. We need to make sure students know how and use a correct point by. Marc, your kid would do the quick stabby points, like three indications for one car...and it made it hard to tell if he was pointing by multiple cars or indicating one car. We all need to take a point by clinic from Chris (in the Mustang). Watch
Not to knock you or Dan, but run groups (with most HPDE clubs) have nothing to do with lap times or speed, they have to do with experience levels (fast car != fast driver; slow car != slow driver). Mike very well might have been the fastest car in the black group too, that doesn't mean that you should be in the red group.
Mike, the biggest thing I'd be worried about with you is how you are at being the slowest (or slower) car in the group and how you handle pointing people by. Because of how fast your car is you only had to deal with giving one point by early in the weekend and despite you having a fast car and being a competent driver, you never had to deal with faster traffic.
That said, I would recommend either you or Dan for a more advanced group at Lightning next time. Not sure if I would do the same at other tracks though. Sometimes TrackDaze does a split advanced group depending on enrollment and the track. They will put the faster (high HP) cars of the advanced group in one session, and the slower (low HP) cars in another.
Mike, the biggest thing I'd be worried about with you is how you are at being the slowest (or slower) car in the group and how you handle pointing people by. Because of how fast your car is you only had to deal with giving one point by early in the weekend and despite you having a fast car and being a competent driver, you never had to deal with faster traffic.
That said, I would recommend either you or Dan for a more advanced group at Lightning next time. Not sure if I would do the same at other tracks though. Sometimes TrackDaze does a split advanced group depending on enrollment and the track. They will put the faster (high HP) cars of the advanced group in one session, and the slower (low HP) cars in another.
Justin, no doubt my guy was not good with point bys. We worked on them all weekend. I told him several times each session "one point by per car" and "give them a defenitive signal you want them to pass". He was way too intimidated with the traffic around him. It was hard for me to see what his hand was doing outside the window from my seat but it was obvious when a train of cars was approaching he got nervous.
Brad in the CRX on the other hand started out as bad as my green student but by the end of the event was great at pointing people by.
At one point in their first session I had to pit both drivers and talk to them about doing EXACTLY what I say when i say it... you know the talk I am sure. After that it got better but still could have improved more. For my green student managing traffic was where he graded the worst on his eval.
Brad in the CRX on the other hand started out as bad as my green student but by the end of the event was great at pointing people by.
At one point in their first session I had to pit both drivers and talk to them about doing EXACTLY what I say when i say it... you know the talk I am sure. After that it got better but still could have improved more. For my green student managing traffic was where he graded the worst on his eval.
EVO's are very capable cars, but like Justin said there is more to advancing to the higher run groups than just passing people.
I watched most of your vid last night. Taking into account this was your first track day in 5 years and you're driving a high powered car with an even bigger ego
I think you drove well. As you do more events and develop your driving techinque you will start to see the time drop as you smooth everything out. Right now it seems like you are just going thru the motions... hitting the brakes, turning the wheel and smashing the gas, which is fine, but will only get you so far. Balancing the car with the throttle and brakes entering and exiting the turns is where you will see the most gain. It takes time to develope those skills and your own techinque for doing those things. Some are faster learners than others.
Honestly, if you want to do a few events this year I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend you get a good instructor in there with you at the next event, for the WHOLE event, to work on those things. I would be happy to help you with that as I'm sure Thai, Tim or anyone else would. What you don't want to do is cement bad techniques into your brain and have to later un-learn them. Right now, your first couple events, is when you want to focus on techinquie the most. Like autox, that first run you want to be perfect so its imprinted into your brain, this is the same deal.
I watched most of your vid last night. Taking into account this was your first track day in 5 years and you're driving a high powered car with an even bigger ego
I think you drove well. As you do more events and develop your driving techinque you will start to see the time drop as you smooth everything out. Right now it seems like you are just going thru the motions... hitting the brakes, turning the wheel and smashing the gas, which is fine, but will only get you so far. Balancing the car with the throttle and brakes entering and exiting the turns is where you will see the most gain. It takes time to develope those skills and your own techinque for doing those things. Some are faster learners than others. Honestly, if you want to do a few events this year I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend you get a good instructor in there with you at the next event, for the WHOLE event, to work on those things. I would be happy to help you with that as I'm sure Thai, Tim or anyone else would. What you don't want to do is cement bad techniques into your brain and have to later un-learn them. Right now, your first couple events, is when you want to focus on techinquie the most. Like autox, that first run you want to be perfect so its imprinted into your brain, this is the same deal.
So next trackday I will have an instructor, which I would do every trackday for a while, always have room for improvement. Same with Autox, Simmons can ride with me on any course and knock a half second off my times with just a few tips as I am going through course. When we co-drove my car, he honestly got me to do that every time, it was crazy.
Mike, s2k are great handling car. light weight and well balance. you can't expect your basically stock noise heavy, 4 door sedan to keep with with sk2 in in the turns on same tires (he was running RA1 that well shaved). s2k has no torque so it can get on the gas much earlier or stay on the gas through some turns. your car is all low end torque, if you get on gas early and boost kicks in, it will just make your car push wide.
Last edited by honda-guy; Jun 26, 2012 at 08:20 AM.
Mike, s2k are great handling car. light weight and well balance. you can't expect your basically stock noise heavy, 4 door sedan to keep with with sk2 in in the turns on same tires (he was running RA1 that well shaved). s2k has no torque so, i can get on the gas much earlier or stay on the gas through some turns. your car is all low end torque, if you get on gas early and boost kicks in, it will just make your car push wide.
I was trying to figure out how not to use my brake before turn 4, so I was trying to learn speed I could get through there. Watching the S2000 do it and you doing it in my car reinforces I am not doing it correctly, yet. I think I need some more time to get that spot down.
Nice lines there grillmeister...I like that you drive your line even when the other people take different (non-)lines.
The STI was pretty much all over the place (I noticed that when I was out in black for a bit Saturday pm) and could have used some help. The other driver I thought was completely out of their element was the TA, which we all know was not cut out for that group, or driving on a race track since he ended his day in a tree.
For the instructors in the group...I meant to mention this to everyone on Sunday's meeting but was fighting off the pukes so I forgot: Point bys. We need to make sure students know how and use a correct point by. Marc, your kid would do the quick stabby points, like three indications for one car...and it made it hard to tell if he was pointing by multiple cars or indicating one car. We all need to take a point by clinic from Chris (in the Mustang). Watch him at 6:30ish and then watch Dan at 8:30ish. Granted, Dan is in a corner, but if you can't get a good point out the window, wait half a second.
The STI was pretty much all over the place (I noticed that when I was out in black for a bit Saturday pm) and could have used some help. The other driver I thought was completely out of their element was the TA, which we all know was not cut out for that group, or driving on a race track since he ended his day in a tree.
For the instructors in the group...I meant to mention this to everyone on Sunday's meeting but was fighting off the pukes so I forgot: Point bys. We need to make sure students know how and use a correct point by. Marc, your kid would do the quick stabby points, like three indications for one car...and it made it hard to tell if he was pointing by multiple cars or indicating one car. We all need to take a point by clinic from Chris (in the Mustang). Watch him at 6:30ish and then watch Dan at 8:30ish. Granted, Dan is in a corner, but if you can't get a good point out the window, wait half a second.
The mustang while he did give a good/clear point, he also straight up stopped while I was right behind him. That scared the hell out of me, hence me saying woah, woah, woah!
Also, that wasn't our Dan (DEK) in the white X, I don't know who that guy is...?
Did you watch this with sound? lol
Thanks for the compliment, btw!
Last edited by grillpt; Jun 26, 2012 at 08:33 AM.
The way that S2k did it might not work for you and your car. More than one way to skin a cat...
There really isn't a 'right line' thru that or any section of the track. There are LOTS of wrong lines, but as far as the one single way to enter and exit a turn it all depends on the car, the setup and most importantly the driver.
There really isn't a 'right line' thru that or any section of the track. There are LOTS of wrong lines, but as far as the one single way to enter and exit a turn it all depends on the car, the setup and most importantly the driver.