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when tuning car on dyno, you might not see knock. but when on track for 20 minutes, the car get heat soak and you might get some knock, just turn timing down a little. there's no reason why the car can't be tune to run safely on track with 93, and not have to spike fuel with 100/110.
Its all about managing heat. We have bigger rads, brake cooling, bigger oil coolers, ect, all so we can run long and hard without issues. why not apply that same safety margin to the fuel? Why risk a 4k motor when you can add a couple gallons of high octane gas and not have to worry about a flashing light on the straight telling you your getting knock. To me is make perfect sense, but ya'll can do as you please.
what he said. you can get them from almost any autoparts store...
not to harp, but one more thing about the fuel...
all the power we make comes from fuel. Its not the turbo that makes power. All that does is provide more air to burn more fuel. With that said, the more power you make the more fuel you need to burn and ultimately the hotter your car will run (assuming you can't remove all that heat). So, basically fuel is THE most important part of the combustion process.
We put quality oils in our motor, use high boiling point brake fluids, race tires on expensive forged rims, race pads, water wetter and ect into our cars because they make our cars perform better. So why skimp when it comes to the fuel?
Like I said, ya'll can do as you please. I'm just trying to save some track junkies from blowing their motors because they didn't realize what they were doing...
all the power we make comes from fuel. Its not the turbo that makes power. All that does is provide more air to burn more fuel. With that said, the more power you make the more fuel you need to burn and ultimately the hotter your car will run (assuming you can't remove all that heat). So, basically fuel is THE most important part of the combustion process.
We put quality oils in our motor, use high boiling point brake fluids, race tires on expensive forged rims, race pads, water wetter and ect into our cars because they make our cars perform better. So why skimp when it comes to the fuel?
Like I said, ya'll can do as you please. I'm just trying to save some track junkies from blowing their motors because they didn't realize what they were doing...
spiking fuel with 100/110 is a band aid to me. not a permanent fix. turn the boost down or turn timing down and dont have to worry about knock. that extra 10-20 whp aint going to do much for you at hpde event when you're not competing. i have just as much fun driving my car at 20 psi vs. pushing it at 25 psi. there's no trophies in hpde.
all those other upgrades you mention or permanent fix, they are installed once and done with.
all those other upgrades you mention or permanent fix, they are installed once and done with.
You could call anyone of those mods I listed a band-aid. I don't run an upgraded rad, yet never had an over-heating issue. Grillo doesn't have brake cooling but never had an issue with the brakes over-heating. Tim B. runs walmart oil in his Z and never had a motor issue. So why is it some people need those things?? On the other side of the coin there are people like Andy (xtnct) who has every brake cooling mod possible and still has issues... are all his mods 'band-aids' too?
Even with all those cooling mods, 20psi, reduced timing and a rich A/F mixture the car will still see knock on a hot day. Anyone who says they don't see knock is either not being honest or not using the car above a warm up lap pace. Its just the nature of running a turbo-charged motor on track. Having to use a couple gallons of race fuel to keep the motor happy isn't a band-aid, its preventative maintenance.
Even with all those cooling mods, 20psi, reduced timing and a rich A/F mixture the car will still see knock on a hot day. Anyone who says they don't see knock is either not being honest or not using the car above a warm up lap pace. Its just the nature of running a turbo-charged motor on track. Having to use a couple gallons of race fuel to keep the motor happy isn't a band-aid, its preventative maintenance.
spiking fuel with 100/110 is a band aid to me. not a permanent fix. turn the boost down or turn timing down and dont have to worry about knock. that extra 10-20 whp aint going to do much for you at hpde event when you're not competing. i have just as much fun driving my car at 20 psi vs. pushing it at 25 psi. there's no trophies in hpde.
all those other upgrades you mention or permanent fix, they are installed once and done with.
all those other upgrades you mention or permanent fix, they are installed once and done with.
I don't run regular oil on street and then switch synthetic for track, that would be a band aid. If you tune the car for 100 and run it all the time even on street then its not a band aid. Turning boost down is not a band aid because that's the boost level I run normally. I only turn it up for competition run. Im just saying anything you do as a temporary fix is a band aid. If you can get away with stock radiator, that's fine. But id you have to keep the fan running all the time on track, that would be a band aid instead of a permanent fix like upgrading radiator.
I have gotten knock running 25 psi on 98F day. Turned the boost down to 222 psi and no more knock. My car is not tuned to run for 10 seconds at the strip.
I have gotten knock running 25 psi on 98F day. Turned the boost down to 222 psi and no more knock. My car is not tuned to run for 10 seconds at the strip.
found something interesting on motorsportreg.com
go to the "my account" tab and scroll all the way to the bottom. you should see feedback from students and instructors. Pretty cool to see some of the responses.
go to the "my account" tab and scroll all the way to the bottom. you should see feedback from students and instructors. Pretty cool to see some of the responses.
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I don't run regular oil on street and then switch synthetic for track, that would be a band aid. If you tune the car for 100 and run it all the time even on street then its not a band aid. Turning boost down is not a band aid because that's the boost level I run normally. I only turn it up for competition run. Im just saying anything you do as a temporary fix is a band aid. If you can get away with stock radiator, that's fine. But id you have to keep the fan running all the time on track, that would be a band aid instead of a permanent fix like upgrading radiator.
I have gotten knock running 25 psi on 98F day. Turned the boost down to 222 psi and no more knock. My car is not tuned to run for 10 seconds at the strip.
I have gotten knock running 25 psi on 98F day. Turned the boost down to 222 psi and no more knock. My car is not tuned to run for 10 seconds at the strip.
Two word.
If you girlies worrying about blowing up the motor, then don't fu<king take your car to track. Done.
Hardparking is more safe for your motor than running 30psi on stock turbo with 110 and street tires trying to dominate hpde green group
If you girlies worrying about blowing up the motor, then don't fu<king take your car to track. Done.
Hardparking is more safe for your motor than running 30psi on stock turbo with 110 and street tires trying to dominate hpde green group
Last edited by honda-guy; Jul 18, 2012 at 01:54 PM.
You all should do what this guy did
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570
Put NOS Energy drink into his gas tank instead of NOS octane booster
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570
Put NOS Energy drink into his gas tank instead of NOS octane booster
I am still amazed Fineberg's motor isn't in pieces after that trackdaze event. Losing oil errwhere, running stupid hot coolant temps and not giving a flying fu(k. dat ***** CRAY!
