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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:18 AM
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Psych eval won't prove or demonstrate anything unless the person is seriously unhinged. And who's going to perform the psych eval and how do we know that it won't become some routine cake walk that the tester just glosses over in order to get back to posting on the Internet. There is no way a psych eval will help anything. Plus if you were test deeply test everyone, you'll be able to find personality flaws that would prevent one from obtaining a gun.

I spent two hours in traffic this morning and was ready to cause myself and others harm when I got out of the car (before calming down). Surely I have psychotic features based on that or maybe I'm just human who finally started losing his cool after 1.75 hours of putting up with people holding me up because of their texting, make up and sheer stupidness.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:25 AM
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^ ouch. Burned
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:28 AM
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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3% of gun crimes are done with ANY type of rifle. "Assault weapons" are a small percentage of that. These murderers didn't obtain these guns LEGALLY! By your rational we should ban box cutters. They were used to attack the pentagon and bring down the twin towers. Do you trust that the police will come in time to save your family if someone enters your home? How about after a hurricane with no power or cell service?
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:35 AM
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Join the military and your *** is owned by the government.

The guys who did the mass shootings would have passed all back ground checks because they have not committed prior crimes. And they would have waited 2 weeks for the guns cause they planned it out. It wasn't spur of the momment. They would probably failed the psych eval, but how would you do a psych eval? Why not do psych eval on people before they are allowed to have kids, you can save a lot more lives with that. Just saying
Hah, believe me, I am all for parental licensing requirements.

I am not saying my plan is flawless and wouldn't have some loopholes, but the process itself would seriously limit the number of weapons accessible to unhinged individuals.

In the SH shootings the mother was the gun owner...should she have been allowed to be a gun owner when someone living in her home was mentally unstable? I don't think so. My proposed plan would have prevented her from having weapons in her house.

Sure, there will always be unlicensed owners and unregistered weapons, but limiting the number that are accessible to those that are most likely to do harm is key to preventing more mass shootings. The answer is not "arm everyone."
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:39 AM
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Every single shooter since columbine was on some sort of prescribed medication and around the age of 20(give or take 2 years). That is the average age when mental illness presents itself.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:42 AM
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 08:42 AM
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There have been 3 mass killings like this in England in the last 30 years. In one of the the killer got 15 school children then roamed the streets for six hours because no one had a weapon to stop him
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Sure, there will always be unlicensed owners and unregistered weapons, but limiting the number that are accessible to those that are most likely to do harm is key to preventing more mass shootings. The answer is not "arm everyone."
i'm not saying the answer is to arm everyone, just the ones that qualify. after 9/11, some pilots were allowed to carry guns on the planes if they go through some extensive training. i wouldn't want every school teacher to carry a gun, only ones that's comfortable with using one and has extensive training and psych eval. those teachers stood up to the gunman even when they weren't unarmed. image if some of them were armed and trained.

i have no problems if all the guns in the world vanish over night, and we all go back to fighting with knives and stones. the problems is there are already so much guns on the streets, the new laws they're going to pass is not going to get those guns off the street. it'll just make the honest citizen pay more tax. people can just dig a hole and hide their guns and not register it.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 09:54 AM
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if that gun was locked up in the home, the outcome would have been different. two innocent kids could have been dead.


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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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In one of the the killer got 15 school children then roamed the streets for six hours because no one had a weapon to stop him
If you are going to use anecdotes to support your ideas, at least get them accurate. I believe you are blending parts from two or three of the only four mass shootings in England in the last 30 years together.

One from 1987 where one man killed 16 and wounded 15. He was using an assault rifle and sniping people. Police had a hard time pinning him down even with the use of helicopters. This massacre lead to England's stricter law assault weapon's ban. Might an armed citizen have neutralized this guy faster? Sure, even one armed with nothing but a pistol might have. No need for this guy to have had an assault rifle.

Another from 1996 where 15 kids and a teacher were shot and killed then the shooter took his own life....and the whole thing took place in a school and lasted only a little while (no standoff or wandering). Lack of armed citizens did nothing to exacerbate the situation. This nut did this with four pistols and fired 109 of the 700+ rounds he had on his person. No telling how many he would have killed if he could have secured an assault rifle easily, but he could not due to the ban after the 1987 shootings.

And another from 2010 where no children where killed, but 12 adults were...plus 11 injured when the shooter snapped. He had a rifle and a shotgun.[/url]

The fourth was one guy with a shotgun that only killed 1 person but injured 14 during a 20 minute spree before being subdued.

Again, I am not opposed to and even support citizens owning handguns, shotguns and rifles. I have applied for a LTCF myself. There just needs to be better control of who gets to play with them.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 10:07 AM
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Again, I am not opposed to and even support citizens owning handguns, shotguns and rifles. I have applied for a LTCF myself. There just needs to be better control of who gets to play with them.
Definitely not DEK on his morning commutes to work...

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