346hp/356tq EVO IX MR on Dynapack
Originally Posted by reactionevo8
dynapack reads higher than any other dyno...for example i made 365 on axioms dyno but got beaten by a car that made 308 on a dyno dynamics dyno...personally i just shrug when someone tells me their numbers,to me a true measure of power is in the trap speed down the 1320 
I agree, true power is trap speed. What did you trap at when you made 365? I trapped at 116mph when I dynoed at about the same whp.
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
So your baseline of 258 is without mods? Or as it rolled into Axiom? What fuel are we talking about, pump or race? What boost? Pursuant to answers to the first three questions, When can I bring my car in?
I have seen stock IX's with nothing more than a drop in make 261 wheel corrected on a Dynojet. A little more detailed data.
I have seen stock IX's with nothing more than a drop in make 261 wheel corrected on a Dynojet. A little more detailed data.
I have no idea how much boost I was running in March. I was running the same boost in April as I was this weekend 23psi-18psi.
Last edited by EVO-IX-MR; Oct 22, 2006 at 10:47 PM.
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To be fair, every Dyno will ready different, even the same Dyno, day to day will
read different, due to humidity, & temp.
A dyno is just a tool, if you start at one shop, you should stay there. Just about everyone is disappointed with Dyno numbers.
My car put down 278hp at Axiom.
@ Kitto in Seattle, it did 260hp. Between the 2 Dyno's, I changed the intake, swap to a high flow race cat, added a Works DV.
IMHO, they are super close. Due to the fact they bolt to the hubs it's helps get a more true reading. I can change Dyno numbers by just changing tire air pressure. It just removes one more drag factor.
All Dyno's have correction factors. So to boost your ego, some Dyno shops will calibrate the Dyno to read higher, or give you SAE, or uncorrected numbers to help your ego, when the car reads lower then you want it to be.
In the end, none of us want to spend money & not get the performance from it.
let me tell you back in my BMW days, I put a $1200 header on my M3 & a $2500 Throttle body. They made a 5hp difference, to say I was upset is a understatement.
read different, due to humidity, & temp.
A dyno is just a tool, if you start at one shop, you should stay there. Just about everyone is disappointed with Dyno numbers.
My car put down 278hp at Axiom.
@ Kitto in Seattle, it did 260hp. Between the 2 Dyno's, I changed the intake, swap to a high flow race cat, added a Works DV.
IMHO, they are super close. Due to the fact they bolt to the hubs it's helps get a more true reading. I can change Dyno numbers by just changing tire air pressure. It just removes one more drag factor.
All Dyno's have correction factors. So to boost your ego, some Dyno shops will calibrate the Dyno to read higher, or give you SAE, or uncorrected numbers to help your ego, when the car reads lower then you want it to be.
In the end, none of us want to spend money & not get the performance from it.
let me tell you back in my BMW days, I put a $1200 header on my M3 & a $2500 Throttle body. They made a 5hp difference, to say I was upset is a understatement.
^^^^ agreed on the dyno variations.
Awesome horsepower curve on the Dyno Graph - Nice tune Moses!
Moses did a basic tune on my STi - 15-30 minutes of messing with the gain settings on the boost controller yeilded a huge return over what I was pulling before. I ended up gaining 90 horsepower accross the powerband, and 30 horsepower over my previous baseline - Herb Jackson later road tuned my car and I yeilded even MORE power... Still need another 1 to 2 hours of tuning for my tune to be complete...
...Moses' evo is fast, and its nearly completely stock... he does the tuning to it himself. I'm not on any body's nuts, but Moses has talent with tuning Evo's and I have seen it run consistantly time after time on the 1/4 mile... Beating out Audi's (pulling down '500WHP'), and myself while I'm running a setup with numerous more mods than his car has...
People who dyno their cars on Axiom's Dyno, have consistantly had 5 to 15 percent LESS WHP/WTQ than comparable dyno figures from other shops. IMO, I've always used Axiom as a baseline for when referring to other people's dyno HP numbers. The reason's why this is may be known to Axiom, and I'm not going to guess an answer why when I dont exactly know the real culprit.
Its a controversial subject that people try to use as leverage when analyzing a shop... really, a dyno is just a tool created to create a physical number represented basline, and improve upon that baseline by tuning the car accordingly.
If you pull more horsepower than you pulled the last time, (with the same settings, gear ratios, dyno settings, etc... )and you have succeeded in creating more power - regardless of whether or not the Dynapack is off by a few numbers.
Simply put with this chart posted - Mo did a great job tuning. The chart is posted in Wheel figures, and I'm sure that the car is a beast compared to what it was before.
Kory
Awesome horsepower curve on the Dyno Graph - Nice tune Moses!
Moses did a basic tune on my STi - 15-30 minutes of messing with the gain settings on the boost controller yeilded a huge return over what I was pulling before. I ended up gaining 90 horsepower accross the powerband, and 30 horsepower over my previous baseline - Herb Jackson later road tuned my car and I yeilded even MORE power... Still need another 1 to 2 hours of tuning for my tune to be complete...
...Moses' evo is fast, and its nearly completely stock... he does the tuning to it himself. I'm not on any body's nuts, but Moses has talent with tuning Evo's and I have seen it run consistantly time after time on the 1/4 mile... Beating out Audi's (pulling down '500WHP'), and myself while I'm running a setup with numerous more mods than his car has...
People who dyno their cars on Axiom's Dyno, have consistantly had 5 to 15 percent LESS WHP/WTQ than comparable dyno figures from other shops. IMO, I've always used Axiom as a baseline for when referring to other people's dyno HP numbers. The reason's why this is may be known to Axiom, and I'm not going to guess an answer why when I dont exactly know the real culprit.
Its a controversial subject that people try to use as leverage when analyzing a shop... really, a dyno is just a tool created to create a physical number represented basline, and improve upon that baseline by tuning the car accordingly.
If you pull more horsepower than you pulled the last time, (with the same settings, gear ratios, dyno settings, etc... )and you have succeeded in creating more power - regardless of whether or not the Dynapack is off by a few numbers.
Simply put with this chart posted - Mo did a great job tuning. The chart is posted in Wheel figures, and I'm sure that the car is a beast compared to what it was before.
Kory
Seriously guys, I have never dyno'd my IX and I never will. I dyno'd my 03 because it was $40 just to get a baseline. Dyno's will always read different, so who cares about the actual number. I would only use a dyno for tuning, to see where I gain and lose power, and not be liek OMFG I MADE MORE POWUR THAN JOO..
MPH in the 1/4 is the best indicator of how much power a car is making.
MPH in the 1/4 is the best indicator of how much power a car is making.
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Just a quick note. I dyno'd at Axiom same day as you, but earlier in the morning. Jun provided both the wheel HP and wheel torque graphs AS WELL as my estimated flywheel HP and flywheel torque graphs.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie...
Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie...
Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip.
Originally Posted by ouminan
Just a quick note. I dyno'd at Axiom same day as you, but earlier in the morning. Jun provided both the wheel HP and wheel torque graphs AS WELL as my estimated flywheel HP and flywheel torque graphs.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie... Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie...
Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip. Last edited by EVO-IX-MR; Oct 24, 2006 at 02:42 PM.
Originally Posted by ouminan
Just a quick note. I dyno'd at Axiom same day as you, but earlier in the morning. Jun provided both the wheel HP and wheel torque graphs AS WELL as my estimated flywheel HP and flywheel torque graphs.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie... Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip.
It looks like the graphs you've posted up are the calculated flywheel numbers, which are ~15-18% higher than the wheel numbers. Regardless though, that's a nice tune, with a great power curve. I obviously need to get a tune, as my power curve sort of limps in the upper half of my power band...
Towelie is absolutely right though... 1/4 mile runs don't lie...
Although I'll still probably never hit the drag strip. I don't. Notice how his is set to 1.00? Yours is probably set to .24 or .18 depending on what percentage he wanted to add to your wheel hp to make flywheel.
His number ARE wheel HP.
Like I said before, when my Evo made 365 I trapped at 116. Trap speeds don't lie.
- Moses
I would be curious to see if you could make anymore power off my current tune - John Bradley's flash he made, with mivec tuning, the whole works. He has the same one as I and trapped 112 on pump. I've only made one pass on pump and trapped 109 on a so-so pass.
I would be curious to see if you could make anymore power off my current tune - John Bradley's flash he made, with mivec tuning, the whole works. He has the same one as I and trapped 112 on pump. I've only made one pass on pump and trapped 109 on a so-so pass.
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Ahh I see. This was my first experience with a dynapack output and the whole flywheel estimate output page. Seems that printing the flywheel power results without a flywheel correction factor might be misleading to some (I.E. me) especially when a wheel power results page is available for printing.
Again though, that's a very nice tune, and if my follow-up free dynoflash mail-in tune doesn't cut the mustard (which I'm suspecting it might not), I'll be back in for a custom tune.
Again though, that's a very nice tune, and if my follow-up free dynoflash mail-in tune doesn't cut the mustard (which I'm suspecting it might not), I'll be back in for a custom tune.
Originally Posted by Towelie
I would be curious to see if you could make anymore power off my current tune - John Bradley's flash he made, with mivec tuning, the whole works. He has the same one as I and trapped 112 on pump. I've only made one pass on pump and trapped 109 on a so-so pass.
pulls. Im curious to his power as well since he's well known
Originally Posted by ouminan
Ahh I see. This was my first experience with a dynapack output and the whole flywheel estimate output page. Seems that printing the flywheel power results without a flywheel correction factor might be misleading to some (I.E. me) especially when a wheel power results page is available for printing.
Again though, that's a very nice tune, and if my follow-up free dynoflash mail-in tune doesn't cut the mustard (which I'm suspecting it might not), I'll be back in for a custom tune.
Again though, that's a very nice tune, and if my follow-up free dynoflash mail-in tune doesn't cut the mustard (which I'm suspecting it might not), I'll be back in for a custom tune.