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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by keath
2.4 seems to be more for my taste..
my black spools fast thanks to the tune but with 2.4 it would spool atleast 400 rpm sooner.

rock, your build is solid man and i bet you could get 620/550 out of your 2.4

i could prob. get 600/500 with 1450 inj. but i am good right now with 1200's
that would be PERFECT what you just listed 620/550. my goal on e85 was 600-625 anyways. My goal was to give my evo a chance to get here hences all the custom parts and coating etc. so i know it can do it for sure just cant wait till it happens. My pump gas map is what i wanted focused on i need at least 510 on pump then it will feel good. Now i know if i upgraded turboes i could net 700+ on build but really for a street car/show car thats to extreme. I am loving what the black is doing that perfect mix of power and monster tq the 2.4 aiding the whole way.

makes me wonder what my fp red would have done haa. SO long as it looks good to the eyes enginewise and is not a punk moving thats great. You know when your ready you could sell your br 2.0 to offeset alot of the cost of getting a 2.4
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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nah my uncle want my br 2.0 and my st. 3 head so i wont make any money LOL
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by keath
nah my uncle want my br 2.0 and my st. 3 head so i wont make any money LOL
you have to keep your stg 3 head LOL but the block you can give him just have to buy a 2.4 outright is all no big deal obviously you done it before
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SmurfZilla
If i had 650-700 I'd race one not on slicks from a roll. I wonder if he would catch you.....be to busy trying to keep the car rubber side down. LOL.

Like a big turbo supra.

he let out of it after i started to get him but im pretty sure after about 170 he would pull on me. the zr1 is geared for like 230mph
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
that would be PERFECT what you just listed 620/550. my goal on e85 was 600-625 anyways. My goal was to give my evo a chance to get here hences all the custom parts and coating etc. so i know it can do it for sure just cant wait till it happens. My pump gas map is what i wanted focused on i need at least 510 on pump then it will feel good. Now i know if i upgraded turboes i could net 700+ on build but really for a street car/show car thats to extreme. I am loving what the black is doing that perfect mix of power and monster tq the 2.4 aiding the whole way.

makes me wonder what my fp red would have done haa. SO long as it looks good to the eyes enginewise and is not a punk moving thats great. You know when your ready you could sell your br 2.0 to offeset alot of the cost of getting a 2.4
i dont think youll have a problem hitting 500+ on 93octane. when i had 93 in my car it felt pretty good and that was with a half *** quick tune in a backwoods gas station in ohio. i think 12* uptop.

straight kill mode 40psi + your car would be easily over 650

i hope your maf screen is removed, if not you risk sucking the middle out which will be bad news for sure.
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
that would be PERFECT what you just listed 620/550. my goal on e85 was 600-625 anyways. My goal was to give my evo a chance too get here hences all the custom parts and coating etc. so i know it can do it for sure just cant wait till it happens. My pump gas map is what i wanted focused on i need at least 510 on pump then it will feel good. Now i know if i upgraded turboes i could net 700+ on build but really for a street car/show car thats to extreme. I am loving what the black is doing that perfect mix of power and monster tq the 2.4 aiding the whole way.

makes me wonder what my fp red would have done haa. SO long as it looks good to the eyes enginewise and is not a punk moving thats great. You know when your ready you could sell your br 2.0 to offeset alot of the cost of getting a 2.4
what! Check out the mamba the machine there both in the 700hp+ daily driven street and show cars and I hope u will too but if not its all good. Also the torque is nasty on ur car

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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by L@Ncer06
To many variables
understandable. but lets say same gearing, same year, same mods only difference being the2.4 vs 2.0

would the ability to hold it longer in each gear be the winning factor?
So hard to choose between engines. They are ALL great but I guess the best for a street car would the be 2.4 even though I honestly believe the 2.0 would out run a 2.4 on the highway if they were part for part similar.
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 05VIII
understandable. but lets say same gearing, same year, same mods only difference being the2.4 vs 2.0

would the ability to hold it longer in each gear be the winning factor?
So hard to choose between engines. They are ALL great but I guess the best for a street car would the be 2.4 even though I honestly believe the 2.0 would out run a 2.4 on the highway if they were part for part similar.
Yeah but the 2.4 gets power and torque sooner than 2.0 so the speed gained in each gear would be the same as taking it to 9k but sooner
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by L@Ncer06
Yeah but the 2.4 gets power and torque sooner than 2.0 so the speed gained in each gear would be the same as taking it to 9k but sooner
no it doesnt work like that.. the 2L will **** on the stroker on highway with same setup if the one guy revs out to 10k and the strokers stuck at 8k. uptops more important then downlow.
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by L@Ncer06
Yeah but the 2.4 gets power and torque sooner than 2.0 so the speed gained in each gear would be the same as taking it to 9k but sooner
good point. but isnt it only a few hundred rpm sooner?

hey rock, what rpm are you taking it to?
I need to read a lot more on these motors to make a decision soon. It would feel amazing to rev out to 9.5k but then its hard to compete with instant spool and monster torque
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
no it doesnt work like that.. the 2L will **** on the stroker on highway with same setup if the one guy revs out to 10k and the strokers stuck at 8k. uptops more important then downlow.
Oh ok got ya I just figured since the 2.4 hits peek power and torque before the 2.0 that it would be at a higher speed sooner. Cool
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by L@Ncer06
what! Check out the mamba the machine there both in the 700hp+ daily driven street and show cars and I hope u will too but if not its all good. Also the torque is nasty on ur car
HAA FUNNY story. first of all jorge and joaquin have larger turbos then mine thats one. if i upgrade mine i could be in the 700 range. btw jorge is car is not a DD from what he told me. Joaquin is somewhat i know that much. Second when I was there both cars were down. haa i could not ride in nothing. the black mamba was getting engine rebuilt and was removed in corner collecting dust Never saw Joaquin as his had tranny issues and he removed cams waiting on his cosworths to come in which they did toward end of my tenure there. I got to ride in dans 450whp evo and Garge 400whp 2.3 evo. Also rode in a lumpy 2.2 evo x and forgot his name silver base evo X
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 05VIII
What I want to know is: Evo with 2.4 Vs. Evo with 2.0 with similar power.
Who would win? the 2.4 would spool a little quicker, but the 2.0 can rev to like 9-9.5k
and turbo lag would only really matter if it was a roll race and would only effect the gear they take off in. I think the 2.0 reving to 9-9.5k would dominate.

sucks having so many options haha. I cant decide if I want to go with a 2.4 or 2.0 with a 35r

You realize revving a FP black up high is pointless right?

The power band is crap in the higher rpm range.
Turbo just dies in power
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 05VIII
good point. but isnt it only a few hundred rpm sooner?

hey rock, what rpm are you taking it to?
I need to read a lot more on these motors to make a decision soon. It would feel amazing to rev out to 9.5k but then its hard to compete with instant spool and monster torque
Simply put if your not a dedicated drag car its extremely hard to compete with a 2.4 motor. AGAIN there is no need to rev to the moon on the STREETS or DDing or Autox etc. you simply will never get that high unless at strip or just being stupid in town or highway. With the right TUNING a 2.4 will make PLENTY of power before 7800 i mean there is simply no need when all the power hits you that soon pending turbo choice. Its going to spin the ***** off any turbo you put on it and you will be well with in the power quickly. NO need to hold gears out as by the time you start going the power is there. I dont understand this whole concept of people wanting 9k+ rpms per shift. WHERE can you do that safely besides at strip. Good luck with your motor lasting for awhile doing that often.

simply put if you pair the 2.4 with a good turbo say hta green or hks 7400. they are already spool happy put the displacement hold on because the tq will be insane the intense feeling is tq not whp so if your looking for a seat gripper early/quickly then you cant beat it. If you want more power but soon get a bigger turbo. DONT forget you CAN drag with a 2.4 mike showed everybody on this board that running 9.33 with a fp black on std 2.4. you can set your rev to like 8k but you will never need it as all the power you need will hit before that. NOW dont forget the LR2.4 will not make more power then the std2.4 but better rod ratio so it can rev higher again if your a rev nut.
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
HAA FUNNY story. first of all jorge and joaquin have larger turbos then mine thats one. if i upgrade mine i could be in the 700 range. btw jorge is car is not a DD from what he told me. Joaquin is somewhat i know that much. Second when I was there both cars were down. haa i could not ride in nothing. the black mamba was getting engine rebuilt and was removed in corner collecting dust Never saw Joaquin as his had tranny issues and he removed cams waiting on his cosworths to come in which they did toward end of my tenure there. I got to ride in dans 450whp evo and Garge 400whp 2.3 evo. Also rode in a lumpy 2.2 evo x and forgot his name silver base evo X
Well joaquins car is up and running great and the mamba needs some work but will get there soon.I see ur point but having a 700hp daily driver is not that extreme and very possible. If done right. Hey but this is just my 2

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