Why do I get the distict feeling that what ET has done was to take Garrett's GTX comp wheels and mirror them? Or is it just a coincidence that the Garrett gtx3X76R has 11-blades, a 58mm inducer, and a 650bhp rating as well?

oh not so good then tim lol

there is a lot more than no of blades in a compressor design. Thickness is a thing that you can easily observe

I sure hope this all works out and you get what your looking for
BTW why not spend the extra 1000 for bb?

Exactly, like inducer diameter and flow rating like I mentioned above

Besides - and I'm sure most will agree - I would actually prefer if the design were based on Garrett's R&D, and not some small-time garagiste's flight of fancy...

The 58mm is not a direct comparison to the FP Black, its actually smaller, Spryos said they offer 3 sizes above the 58mm that I will be using, and I might also be testing a 64mm BB version at a later time.

I remember reading the sizes were between 52mm-64mm so mine is right in the middle of the range (I asked for something that could spool fast and still make decent power on 91 octane)

He said the 64mm BB unit should also outspool the FP Black so maybe when we get some numbers on the 58mm I can jump up to the 64mm and go from there.

Also for testing no matter who I get tuned/dyno by I'm going to provide at least a few pulls on a Mustang Dyno, either Fftec, or GST Motorsports dyno for # comparisons, so I very may well make the 4 hour drive to Boosted Tuning (dynojet) after he provides a base tune, then get testing/comparo done there, and on the drive back stop by GST or Fftec and do a Mustang Dyno pull or two.

Your test will be quite interesting as a direct comparison with probably the "benchmark" in the stock frame turbos the FP Black.

My questions is what do you expect to see in terms of gains?

Let's say on your setup if the Black would give you for argument's sake 550 awhp what you would want to see from this turbo? +10 awhp? +30 awhp? +70 awhp?

...and probably better spool, always according to claims... Spool like a Red or Green? or even like stock?

And then, something that we have seen quite a few times with FP turbos... Reliability... How how long would you want this turbo to hold without issues? BTW i am not bashing FP turbos... what they have achieved in this market is substantial but i cannot ignore many threads, my own friends and my own experiences in terms of reliability... When pushing the envelope it is expected....

You know realistically I would be happy with mid 400's on 91 octane, which I know the FP Black will provide with my mods, however I want something that will spool faster (220whp+ by 4k rpm), and provide power up top (who doesn't) The 58mm ET is a smaller turbo than the FP Black so we shall see.

For the sake of testing I was planning on doing around 32-34lbs boost on each turbo on e85 or race gas (I have a JDM Map) Do I need/or should I just put a OMNI 4 bar in anyway I never planned to keep the FP Black, or the 58mm JB ET, I purchased the FP Black for testing only, and the JB ET turbo is what Spyros wanted me to test it against first (I chose the 58mm size), the next turbo Dual Ceramic Ball Bearing Extreme Tuners Turbo will be what is more than likely staying in the car, and I don't see any issues with longevity from it due to the boost levels I plan to run daily <30psi.

BTW: He did mention the JB version is good up to 39psi.

Also I will make my own thread when the results are ready (mid July), so lets keep this Joe's thread, sorry for clogging it up with stock frame turbo stuff Joe.

Not a problem! It's more turned into a "Did you get your ET parts" thread . Make sure you post the link to your thread in here!!

Here's some information that I have been waiting on, and I would like to share with everyone else!

Hello friend,
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Here are the stock frame 4g63 options available:
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Compressor wheel specs are:
11blade ext tip billet Alu. with latest compressor wheel aerodynamic design for improved efficiency, inducer specs are: 52mm, 53.8mm, 57.8mm , 60.88mm, 63.7mm.
Exact dimentions in Titanium also but with thinner blades.
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Turbine wheels also exducers:
49mm, 54mm, 59mm, 63mm and we are working for the Billet inconel 64mm turbine wheel.
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Antisurge compressor cover 3'' inlet or 4’’
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Journal bearing or dual ceramic ballbearing option also.
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Pressure actuator valves: There's .8, 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4 bar
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Flow of compressor wheels are rated:
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52mm into a .60A/R cover is rated to 57bls
54mm into a .60A/R cover is rated to 60lbs
58mm into a .60A/R cover is rated to 66lbs
61mm into a .70A/R cover is rated to 76lbs
64mm into a .70A/R cover is rated to 85lbs
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As for the Titanium that is not only very hard, but also provides an excellent strength-to-thickness ratio so we can make the hub and blades thinner, so gain extra flow than billet Alu.
In many cases where there are extreme loads, a compressor impeller made of an aluminum alloy determines the service life of the turbocharger. In particular,material fatigue can result from extreme loads, especially when the loads are cyclical loads occurring at low frequencies, its the low cycle fatique phenomena.
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We are working also for magnesium alloy compressor wheels that will be lighter than Ti. Are on testing yet.
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(From Spyros)




And some other flow #'s for comparison

FP Green Gen 1..........47lb/min
BBK Lite....................47lb/min
Tomei ARMS..............48lb/min
GT3071R...................50lb/min
BBK Full....................51lb/min
GTII HKS 7460R..........51lb/min
TT S205....................53lb/min
TT S214....................53lb/min
FP Green 73HTA.........54lb/min
GT3076R...................54lb/min
Evo-760XTR...............55lb/min
GTX3071R.................56lb/min
TT S205b..................56lb/min
TT S214b..................56lb/min
BBK-B.......................57lb/min
FP HTA 3076..............57lb/min
PT 5857....................57lb/min
FP Red HTA...............60lb/min
Borg EFR 7670............64lb/min
GTX3076R.................65lb/min
GT3582R...................67lb/min
FP Black 82HTA..........68lb/min
Borg 300sx 8375........ 68lb/min
GT4088R...................72lb/min
GTX3582R.................73lb/min
PT 6262....................74lb/min
GT3788R...................75lb/min
FP HTA 3582.............75lb/min
FP HTA 3586.............75lb/min
TO4Z.......................75lb/min
GT4067R..................75lb/min
Borg 300sx 8875........75lb/min
Borg EFR 8374...........79lb/min
GT4094R..................80lb/min
Borg S366R...............80lb/min
Borg EFR 9180...........94 lb/min

^ 3582 and 3586 are the same?

I found that list on a lancer forum, sorry I dont know the source, or accuracy behind those #'s

I also think the black has been proven many times to flow more than 68 lbs...

-Acree

gotcha. It's nice to have a compilation like that, but between mfgrs their numbers will be a bit skewed.