Brilliant.

I think the question I'd pose back to the OP, or anyone who agrees with him, is why we need to make a rule for this.

I would pose a few hypotheticals against it though, solely due to the fact that any imposition of a rule would be entirely subjective (as has been mentioned) and create a precedent for other rules to follow suit. So would the rule be only for fatalities? What about spinal or head injuries? Broken bones? Scraped knees? Really bad rashes? Where do you draw the line and why?

And, as people have already posted, whose sense of morals do we choose to enforce?

I think silence when nasty things could be said is the ultimate show of tact in these cases, however, should someone feel compelled to opine for whatever reason, I can't see why (s)he shouldn't be allowed. If you feel it makes the poster look like a callous ***, then so be it. You're every bit as entitled to that opinion as (s)he is to hers/his. My ultimate advice, take it or leave it, is simply to use discretion on any side of a potentially sensitive issue.

 

exactly

 

You don't need to make a rule for this -- it should fall under flaming.

I find it somewhat ridiculous that vendor on vendor flaming nets you 15 points, regular flaming nets you 5, but apparently flaming a dead person who can't defend himself is acceptable?

If I posted in the Mark M thread and stated that he deserved to die for living a sinful life and engaging and reveling in a city that celebrates sin, would you really not step in and either a) ban me or b) be forced to modify the thread in some fashion because of the number of people that would jump in and attack me? I think we all know the answer.

So why the double standard in this case?

 

I will speak for myself as a Moderator and say I would do neither a) or b). See my response a few posts up above and you'll start to get it. I would let your nonsensical and ignorant reply stand so the rest of the members could see it for what it's worth and draw their own conclusions. So you see, in my case there would be no double standard.

J.D.

 

Its not that evo driver died , its what he did right before he ended up that way. Anyone that dies because they were street racing and loses control assumes the risk.

 

Your example certainly hits the insensitivity target here if that was your intent. Stretching cause and effect from a poor decision by the driver of high performance car to walking down the street, even as an example, is ludicrous. And to be quite candid in poor taste. The answer is yes to removing such comments. You may argue that is a double standard, I'll argue common sense. The two events do not deserve to be discussed in the same context.

We have rules in place for flaming and they are enforced subjectively by the moderators. That was stated in the initial response by SASD209 ... "within the context of our rules". We have removed comments we felt were over the top in such threads, and will continue to do so.

The moderators will discuss the issue and see if a consensus exist for any rule change. However, asking an Internet site to create rules that subjectively address sensitivity, compassion and good taste is a bit daunting. I think we have sufficient feedback for review by the moderator's. Thank you everyone for your input. I'll post an update later. Thanks.

Speedlimit ....

 

The moderator's were unanimous that additional rules are not needed to address inappropriate comments. We have sufficient latitude to moderate the threads without additional rules. Hopefully, members who have read and or contributed to this thread will consider other member's comments. We will keep a closer eye on such threads and remove posts clearly intended to inflame or hurt others. If you feel very strong about a comment then report it and a moderator will review. You may not agree with the moderator's subsequent action but, it will be reviewed.

Ideally we would like not to see any more of the these types of threads; unfortunately we will. I hope we all remembers these threads about fatalities from Evo crashes and make a split second decision to not race or showboat from a light or on the highway. That would be a positive benefit.

Speedlimit...

 

As an addendum to Speedlimit's post- if you see a post that's over the top or otherwise offensive, please report it. It will alert all the appropriate staff, and it's much easier for us to deal with that way.

 

+1, i hear stories all the time about fatal accidents, now i wouldnt be disrespectful to the dead or their families but your always gonna find ppl who say what they feel and you may not aggree with what they say but they can state their opinion.

really it all comes down to learning from others mistakes and being more cautious yourself when driving a performance vehicle.

 

Wow - that's well said, and if you live by that, I've got newfound appreciation for your input

I'd imagine many that speak negatively in these situations have families, but not a spouse or children, ala someone you are responsible for. It changes your perspective, I'm going through it right now and it does indeed effect you. I'm not preaching, I'm shocked at how much it can change you as years ago, I may have flamed someone for a wrongful act resulting in death; Today I realize that heinous act was still committed by someone's loving son, daughter, father, brother, sister, etc...

Be sensitive and be reasonable with your commentary, it will add credence to your position.

 

So if a semi driver dozed off and blew a red light while you were going through the green light and the semi t-boned you killing you....you would be okay with these comments?


Its astonishing and frankly sad that the majority of the people on this board assume that the evo driver is ALWAYS at fault. Think about it, with the Tbones, stomping on brakes for rush hour traffic and someone rear ending you not slowing down at all, etc etc
Even if they arent at fault, there are many other situations- for example they could have simply swerved from a deer and flew off the road..

 

Last I checked this was in regards to a driver who was killed while illegally racing on public roads. To me, HE is at fault for his death, even if the driver of the other car crashed into him. This is completely different than the guy who swerves to avoid a deer and gets killed by running into trees. Im pretty sure swerving to avoid a road hazard isnt illegal.

And to the post above, yes the person who died is someones son, brother, etc. But if this happened in my family, I wouldnt be mad at people posting their e-thoughts, nor would I be trying to justify why it wasnt his fault. I would be mad at him, the driver, who should have known better and made a poor decision that affected more lives than his own. Luckily an innocent party wasnt killed, only hurt badly....

This "its ok, heres a pat on the back, dont feel bad for your mistakes" mentality in todays society kills me...

 

I agree...we are building a society of pansies and blame shifters.

Mods..../thread...nothing new is being said.

 

Agreed.