So by that regard, do people who purchase fire arms have a hand in a random person gunning down other people?

Give me a break, this kid made a very poor decision, and he paid the ultimate price. The only thing upsetting is someone else besides him got hurt.

Look at it as natural selection, if your that dumb to street race, well you should accept the outcome. Im tired of the common perception in this nation that people dont need to be held accountable for their actions. He raced, he crashed, he died. Should we feel bad for the junkie who died with a needle in his arm? To me, they are both poor decisions, neither of which I have sorrow for.

For the record, I have never raced my car on the street, I have driven my Evo on autocross courses and trackdays and realize its limits should never be explored on the street.

Oh and if it was a family member, I would feel bad for the loss, but I wouldbe more upset he/she demonstrated such poor judgement that cost them their life....

Man I just read you comment again, that is awful logic....

 

Wow.....wow.

 

yea it was his fault for street racing but, still we need to show the dead some respect..It could be any of us that might've been in his place..We can sit here and say yea that's a stupid thing to do and I would never do it,blah..blah..blah but, everyone make mistakes a least once or twice, or many more in his/her life. Sometimes you lose common sense and do crazy things at that moment and the outcome might be bad.. Just my 2 cents

 

All I can say is, He is in the grave, let it be there and don't spit on it.

He was reckless, and he paid the price, with some change. We can't change the outcome and hopefully we can all learn from his mistake.(Obviously this won't really happen, but hey...)

Ok have a nice day, and drive safe. Respect the public roads

 

a life is a life precious in all regards regardless if its yours mine some1 elses .... as far as accountability and sorrow for an overdose there is no way you could ever know what was the situation leading up to ones demise perhaps he/she didnt have the same opportunities or exposure as you.

i believe in accountability, you should be held accountable for not going beyond caring for yourself.

for you to know and not care is a luxury that shouldn't even exist, not caring wth... .................................................. ..

but congratulations on making better decisions, natural selection also breeds the best diseases.

edit: i really do see where you are coming from but a desensatized society is part of the problem. the thought that i shoudlnt care for some1 who makes stupid decisions is not too far off from not caring for others safety or personal safety or disregarding laws it is the lack of analyzation for things that you think dont concern or affect you or only concern or affect you that givees rise to so many problems things are never as simple as we would liek them to be and we should never try to pretend that they are either. if we all do our part and some1 messes up vs we all go a lil extra and cover ne1 else that isnt able to, why should we care for something that dosent benfit us directly ?? we shouldnt right ? yea screw it f the world

 

When it could have been my family or someone elses close to me that got caught up as innocent bystanders, I

A. Have NO tolerance for stupidity that was easily avoidable

B. Feel no pain or sorrow for the party. In a world where children die from inoperable brain tumors, cancer, etc, you will NEVER convince me that the party that took his own life and almost someone elses deserves even a bit of my sympathy.

Natural selection breeds the best diseases, oh man Ill be chuckling about that one all day...

This is what Im talking about. We live in a society where children who strike out in baseball games recieve the same applause as those who hit a double, where soccer leagues give out trophies to the first and last place team that are the same size. We are creating a world where sub-par is acceptable, and thats sad. Its unfortunate, but what this young kid did was unacceptable and NO ONE should expect much sorrow except from those immediately affected by the event.

Its not like he died in a typical car accident. He was street racing, which last I checked is illegal. And people wonder why the cops are cracking down so hard on them.

I do understand your point, accept your views, but politely disagree.

 

you should try to make sure that it never happens to anyone close to you, i personally think it is my responsibility to educate/protect those close to me for if anything would happen i would feel it is my failure as a friend relative member of community countrymen human.(where do you stop caring???)

it was a bit late last night and i was a bit agitated not every thing deserves sympathy but i guess everyone should always have a bit of empathy, i dont believe that the world needs to be an utopia but sometimes it is fun to believe and let it slide for a baseball game as long as you arent shielding the reality of the world.

you are right about sub par being acceptable or even to the point which anything goes its beyond just sad it causes problems possible contributing to the street racing chain of events or other flaws in society but that may be to much to dive into

 

Here is my view as it pertains to these forums:

Officially, there is no rule against expressing your opinion regarding someones poor choice as long as you can do so in a civilized manner. Ie not bash anyone. And therfore, it is not our place to censor an opinion of this nature.

On a more human note, I personally feel that everyone should show some tact in their comments on an obviously touchy subject of anyone dying. Especially considering if they drove an evo, they probably have friends here. More just a courtesy for those that are grieving and will do so regardless of the dumb choices the person may have made.

That said, people still have the right to express their opinion, and most everyone here would at some degree of extremity to the situation. To take an extreme example, if some person driving and evo decided to get drunk and go racing the wrong way down a one way street and ended up killing himself and others, I think the view point would be pretty unanimously negative towards them dead or alive. I would imagine the outrage against that person to get quite harsh. Take that example down a notch and remove the alcohol, still bad and now you are just one step removed from what we are talking about.

Personally, I wouldn't bother commenting, but if I were to, I would express the thought without saying something as cruel as he deserved to die.

One person said he made a bad decision and paid the price for it. This is not really out of line. However if the persons friends/family are in the discussion, it would probably be better just to not comment.

In summation, this is not a rules issue. It is a tact and judgment issue. Be a normal human being and have a little decency for the people still being hurt by the situation.

 

Good call!

 

Eh, its a matter of opinion, I think. I have no respect for someone that street races in traffic around turns, then kills themselves. Boohoo. Im a nice guy, but you have it coming to you if thats how you act. That's Darwinism.

On a side note, I dont wish that anyone die, its just that if you do die doing something REALLY stupid and irresponsible, I dont feel bad for you. If he was going WOT down an open highway and a deer jumped out and he died, I would feel bad. However, this was not the case

 

Good post CharlesJ. No one is perfect, and we are all guilty of speeding.....whether it be 5 or 50 miles above the posted speed limit. The issue lies in judgement of when to perform these acts. If you are on a desolate road or it is 3 am with no cars in sight....do what you want. But having a passenger or racing when it is busy, that is asking for trouble.

Back to the point I was trying to bring up. I personally have seen death on multiple occasions..whether it was working in the health field, or just byproduct of living in a big city. Some of us have become desensitized, and really just don't care.

This is a public forum with a multitude of personalities and experiences. If you are bothered by a post...just move on and ignore it. Some people just like to get others bent out of shape.

 

The closest thing to a rules violation in the original thread was some of the people criticizing other individuals for a lack of tact. Not quite flaming, but close.

As for how we, as owners/enthusiasts of Evos/Lancers should react, some things to consider...

• If the car was an SRT-4, the general consensus would be something along the lines of "typical idiot SRT4 owner... he deserved it."
• If the car was an exotic, say a Ferrari Enzo, the general consensus would be something along the lines of "the driver is an ******* for wrecking that car, he deserved to die."
• If the car was a base Lancer, I suspect you'd see some of the Evo fanboys commenting how the wreck wouldn't have happened if it was an Evo, because as we all know, the Evo is infallible. Since the driver didn't pony up for the Evo, he deserved it.

I'm not making these up, by the way. Basically, if it was anything but an Evo, the driver would be roundly criticized for one thing or another, and he deserved to die because of his asshattery. So what makes this young, foolish driver of an Evo different? I don't see anything really - young driver, fast car, street racing on a busy highway with his girlfriend in the car, not wearing her seatbelt no less... Grade A dumb.

As for posting about the person, well, I don't know the guy, but he's probably a lot like the rest of us - friends, family, significant other, a job and coworkers, team mates, and so on. They're all saddened by his death, even though he was doing something stupid that caused his death. He's still gone. He didn't get a chance to learn from his mistake. I'm certain none of them would be too happy to turn on his computer, log into EvoM, and stumble across a thread saying he deserved to die. And likewise, if the owner was an active member of this community, I would expect the reaction to be different.

What am I getting at? Nothing really. I can see this both ways. It ultimately comes down to personal values, and in particular the golden rule. Consider how you'd want people to react if the person was your brother/son/best friend, or even you, in those shoes (or body bag, as the case may be).

 

I would go out in a blaze of glory that most of the members of the EvoM would have to say "There goes derangedazn...the craziest **** to ever grace our forum. May his spawn be as crazy as him." Then one of the mods would set up some sort of memorial thread.

 

I've got advice for the OP. Start your own forum and do what you like to censor it. Sounds like you have too much estrogen and can't handle the internet and what comes with it. I'm sure most of the girl's friends and family aren't being tactful with their opinions on how this guy has changed her life forever.

 

very well put.....i feel bad for the guys family and friends, but at the same time its like wtf he should've been more careful. I've topped my car out on the highway im not gunna lie lol, but i did it at like 3am when there where prolly like 3 or 4 cars around me. the whole point of having a modded car is to go fast and have fun in it....but there is a time and a place, and it sure as hell isn't during rush hour at 8am