New Forum Rules
Lol yeah us mods are actually sitting on piles of cash while having sex with supermodels. It was never a public forum, it has always been a private forum where there are clear rules to follow. All that's changed is we now have a system where there are specific points for specific infractions.
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Lol yeah us mods are actually sitting on piles of cash while having sex with supermodels. It was never a public forum, it has always been a private forum where there are clear rules to follow. All that's changed is we now have a system where there are specific points for specific infractions.
NASIOC is probably one of the worst forums I have ever seen. The way the members treat each other is unbelievable. Spend a few days over there and you will think we are writing messages in a Barbie doll forum.
The reality is you can only keep some of the people happy, some of the time.
The reality is you can only keep some of the people happy, some of the time.
I what way and cite examples. Go over to NASIOC...a comparable large site with a similar car base. Their rules are just as firm as ours.
I will say we have been admittedly firm on the rules since the infraction system went up, however that was in response to an increasingly large group of violators. I think since this, the site has really turned around and come back in line. We have constant useful discussions that less often get derrailed
I will say we have been admittedly firm on the rules since the infraction system went up, however that was in response to an increasingly large group of violators. I think since this, the site has really turned around and come back in line. We have constant useful discussions that less often get derrailed
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First off, thank you for re-opening this thread. I don't mean to turn this into a mod bashfest and I appreciate getting the chance to post my thoughts.
Here's what I had put together this morning (in response to some of the original posts in this thread):
By your responses, you've pretty much proven my point about selective enforcement and unclear rules. The fact that the rules have been in place for a while now and that both I and others had no idea they existed pretty much validates my points, no? The only reason I gleaned the new rule set was because of a disagreement with Noize in the Evo X forums, which I feel are over moderated. I especially take offense when alleged OT posts are removed, yet stuff like "you got PM" and "subscribed" and sarcastic one liners are allowed to remain ... all of which fall under post whoring, IMO. Ironically, the moderation of the Evo X forums is actually the closest to really enforcing the forum rules (demerit assignments notwithstanding). Let's face it, if the admins and moderators really were to enforce the forum rules by the letter, a significant percentage of us would be banned on a regular basis, and that doesn't sound like a reasonable system to me. Furthermore, some of the more entertaining posts tend to be OT, and I'd rather have the chance to occassionally laugh out loud than read purely informational posts. IMO that's what FAQs and stickied threads are for.
In regards to mods having opinions. IMO, if you're going to take the job of moderating, your opinions need to take a back seat to the job at hand. As I stated in my original post, I have great respect for some of the admins. I know it's not an easy job ... I have moderated forums before and it's a thankless job ... I just have to go on one of the over-moderation rants once a year or so.
As far as conflict of interest, I'm not talking about monetary conflict of interest as much as fanboi conflict of interest. Hence my opinion that forums should be moderated by someone who does not own the automobile that is the topic of discussion.
So now that I've rambled on for a while, let me get to the point and make two suggestions:
1.) Please revisit the forum rules, or at least clarify them somewhat. They are clearly not enforced as they are currently written, nor are they reasonably enforcable if we want to continue to have a free-flow of information on these forums.
2.) Ease up on the Evo X forum moderation. It's a new car, new engine - new and old shops are vying for attention ...yeah it's going to be chaotic for a while, but IMO going overboard on the thread cleansing leads to boring threads. I don't know about anyone else, but I look at these forums as a community, a communication medium rather than just purely a data storehouse.
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Markus
Here's what I had put together this morning (in response to some of the original posts in this thread):
By your responses, you've pretty much proven my point about selective enforcement and unclear rules. The fact that the rules have been in place for a while now and that both I and others had no idea they existed pretty much validates my points, no? The only reason I gleaned the new rule set was because of a disagreement with Noize in the Evo X forums, which I feel are over moderated. I especially take offense when alleged OT posts are removed, yet stuff like "you got PM" and "subscribed" and sarcastic one liners are allowed to remain ... all of which fall under post whoring, IMO. Ironically, the moderation of the Evo X forums is actually the closest to really enforcing the forum rules (demerit assignments notwithstanding). Let's face it, if the admins and moderators really were to enforce the forum rules by the letter, a significant percentage of us would be banned on a regular basis, and that doesn't sound like a reasonable system to me. Furthermore, some of the more entertaining posts tend to be OT, and I'd rather have the chance to occassionally laugh out loud than read purely informational posts. IMO that's what FAQs and stickied threads are for.
In regards to mods having opinions. IMO, if you're going to take the job of moderating, your opinions need to take a back seat to the job at hand. As I stated in my original post, I have great respect for some of the admins. I know it's not an easy job ... I have moderated forums before and it's a thankless job ... I just have to go on one of the over-moderation rants once a year or so.
As far as conflict of interest, I'm not talking about monetary conflict of interest as much as fanboi conflict of interest. Hence my opinion that forums should be moderated by someone who does not own the automobile that is the topic of discussion.
So now that I've rambled on for a while, let me get to the point and make two suggestions:
1.) Please revisit the forum rules, or at least clarify them somewhat. They are clearly not enforced as they are currently written, nor are they reasonably enforcable if we want to continue to have a free-flow of information on these forums.
2.) Ease up on the Evo X forum moderation. It's a new car, new engine - new and old shops are vying for attention ...yeah it's going to be chaotic for a while, but IMO going overboard on the thread cleansing leads to boring threads. I don't know about anyone else, but I look at these forums as a community, a communication medium rather than just purely a data storehouse.
l8r)
Markus
If we love the car, we shouldn't be Mods. If we hate the car, we shouldn't be Mods. If we own the car, we shouldn't be Mods. If we don't own a
we shouldn't be Mods. 
I'll try and address your issues.
1. Just because don't know the rules doesn't speak poorly of the rules or the people the enforce them. There were announcements regarding the rules, most of the mods carry a link to the rules in their sig and when you sign up, you are instructed to read them but people don't. Is that our fault?
2. I will agree that moderating is not completely objective, personal preferences and opinions do come into play but usually it's pretty clear what's off-topic and what's just under the line. A post like 'subscribed" may not contribute but it's done because the poster wants to keep track of the thread.
3. We do enforce the rules rather consistently and most members have decided to actually follow them and have thus remained.
4. Why should moderators give up their opinions to do a thankless, payless and usually unacknowledged/overly criticized job?
1. Just because don't know the rules doesn't speak poorly of the rules or the people the enforce them. There were announcements regarding the rules, most of the mods carry a link to the rules in their sig and when you sign up, you are instructed to read them but people don't. Is that our fault?
2. I will agree that moderating is not completely objective, personal preferences and opinions do come into play but usually it's pretty clear what's off-topic and what's just under the line. A post like 'subscribed" may not contribute but it's done because the poster wants to keep track of the thread.
3. We do enforce the rules rather consistently and most members have decided to actually follow them and have thus remained.
4. Why should moderators give up their opinions to do a thankless, payless and usually unacknowledged/overly criticized job?
