I wish vbulletin supported upvoting or downvoting posts, like reddit or digg. The mods can then still do their jobs (more easily) and we as a community can virtually moderate through downvoting useless, off-topic posts. Can any mods shed light on whether that's a possibility or in the works?

 

you'd have to check the general vbulliten forums

to my knowledge this isn't a capability at this point in time but I could be 100% wrong

 

Wow....10 mins of my life I will never get back from reading every post.
Members - Stop Crying.
Mods - Remeber that you will never make everyone happy.

There is such a huge amount of information on this website that many people would not have found direction for thier cars with out it. Learn to appreciate what you have and as for DB..well he knows his sh*t and has *****..if you dont like it, sell your car, buy a mazada 3 and go zoom zoom your self in the corner. Mike from awd is also on top of his stuff and while they are brutaly honest they ( buschur and awd) do not lie to you about what kind of power you will really make.

 

You're using too many generalizations like the sentence above. Give us examples so we can see any fault in our ways and move forward in a more effective way. But just to make blanket statements without any proof...well, that's just starting rumors and making assumptions about the way things are actually done. I've been a moderator for the past 3 months. I was a member for 2.5 years before that. There are so many things that happen on this site that I was never aware of as a member. But, being on this side of the fence I can tell you without a doubt that things are as neutral on the moderator side as they possibly could be. Far more neutral than any member's perception.

Now, I'm also a believer that perception is reality to whomever holds that perception. So, if we have a perception problem we should (and will) work to change that. But, we need your help by providing examples and helping us understand specific issues. Without that we have nothing to act on.


Now, this is a post with a suggested solution. This is good stuff. I don't know the validity of actually making it a reality, but thanks for thinking about how to solve a problem.

 

I've done this in the past and nothing ever changed or was corrected which is yet another reason why i think evoM vendors have more say so or power on these boards. I set up a dyno day here locally, posted a link to the shop where it was being held so people could get information and directions, the cars were being tuned by TTP. Because i posted a link to a shop that wasnt affiliated with the site, i got a warning and my posts were deleted.

Understand, even though it was TTP, that shop isnt, so its a violation.

Later on that night, Al from Dynoflash was tuning at another shop... he posts hey, ill be tuning at a shop, posts link to shop who is not affiliated with EvoM for the same reason i did and invites people to sign up, get parts installed and jump on the dyno so he can tune.

This is the exact same thing i did, only he is a vendor. I brought that to the attention of a mod as a point of a vendor committing the same infraction.... the response i got was he is a vendor and absolutely nothing happened... his thread stayed active, no warning was given. My argument was so is TTP who was doing the tuning.... still nothing

 

Sad to see this happen to you Jason.

There have been a lot of mod changes over the years and hopefully we have a solid set these days able to help keep evom a great site.

 

Jason, thanks for posting a real-world example. That's something we can work with.

 

The problem with this site is no freedom of speech. I think if you have something to say to a vendor then we should be able to say what we want. for example a shop that i hate here locally has a vendor status. Anytime someone posts something negative about them, either the thread gets deleted,locked, points awarded and so on. This is supposed to be a site that we could all learn from and make important desicions off of. If xxx shop has done alot of harm in the community then it should be known. Just because vendors pay to be here doesnt mean they should be able to get negative comments removed. I would much rather have a heads up about a place before i go then spend tons of money there. That is all

 

The only negative threads about vendors that are deleted are those that didn't follow the rules and the procedure set in place. If you (or any member) has a legitimate complaint, all you have to do is follow the rules. If all the facts check out, you can post your negative review. If you peruse the Service, Parts & Tuning Reviews section you'll find plenty of negative reviews. You can also look at the vendor's iTrader rating where people can leave positive/neutral/negative feedback.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...ve-review.html

90% of negative review posters DO NOT adhere to that link which is stickied in the review section.

If a member does not follow that guideline; I personally, will delete/close the thread and PM them with an explanation. For the protection of our paying vendors we are not going to let a member tarnish their reputation without taking the proper steps which are CLEARLY stated.

I am all for negative reviews being available to the public. Vendors do make mistakes and if they are not willing to compromise when they are rightfully at fault than the rest of the forum members deserve to hear about it.

If the vendor is willing to make the situation right, the thread will never go public. Think of the mods as arbitrators. We try to mediate and resolve the situation to make the member happy and vendor's reputation clean.

 

See...the "examples" come without me having to dig for them.

If I were to dig for them, I doubt I would find them because as you stated....you "delete/close" the threads.

 

If a member cannot take the time to follow the predetermined guidelines to posting then I am not going to be at fault. I am willing to help when the proper steps are taken.

real world ex:

If I am a student at school and don't raise my hand when I don't understand something and then take a test and get that something wrong. I then go home and tell my parents I didn't understand this and they raise hell with the teacher. Is the teacher at fault? No.

Member = student

Teacher = mod

raising your hand = following guidelines

 

haha good scenario haha

 

Ok you are the student at school and you have a problem with the teacher. You know flatout that the teacher is wrong and does wrong doings. Are you going to tell your parents that their wrong and hopefully something might change or are you going to let it be know to the public so that another student doesnt fall prey to that teachers lies and scandals.

Student= buyer

Parent= Mods

Public= EvoM members

I am in no way trying to stir something up, all i want is for the shady shops to be known by the public. They company i am referring to knows who they are. Its a company that ALOT of people have problems with here but somehow i see almost no negative reviews or feedback about them.

 

See your logic is skewed because you think Mods are buddy buddy with vendors. This is not the case. Noize and myself were at the front of the line to have DG motors removed from the site.

Clearly you didn't click that link and read the guidelines within. It is a fair and justified process. If a vendor repeatedly screws people over it's not hard to notice. Are we going to dismiss a vendor from evom from one bad review? No, we definitely will not. However, when it becomes two, three, and four negative issues we act on it.

Keep in mind also Internet Brands owns Evom. When we want something done we have to go through IB. So it is three stages. Members complaints to Mods. Mods complaints to Owners. Owners actions to vendor.

It can't happen over night.