Dave, not sure if this was directed to me or not, there was nothing i have posted that involved your shop.

 

I believe it was directed to TTP and Babs.

 

I didnt think it was to me, i just wanted to make that clear because all of my posts have been vendor anonymous... making sure none of the situations he was upset about were similar to the ones i have posted about and thought i was pointing at him.

 

I read all 8 pages, unless I missed something babs and ttp were the only ones who complained about me in particular, that's why I mentioned them directly.

TTP and myself had about an hour phone conversation on Friday when he called me. I'd expect after speaking with him things may get smoother, if so great, if not...........you know me, I'm up for a good arguement! haha

 

sounds like a good new years resolution

 

I heart Dave.

It was good to talk to you David. Advertise as you see fit as it is your decision, however we are not in favor of you leaving the site.

I hope we can move forward and remain at ease as we have been over the years. As we stated on the phone, it is not you directly that causes conflict, it is your industry peers and customers that many times cause conflict on an otherwise calm interaction between our companies.

This is not to single you out as it is an issue with many companies. Especially in markets that are saturated with 6 Evo performance shops within 20 miles, most of which are vendors on evom. The customers most of the times like to rattle the cages of the competitor shops and their customers.

 

Obviously I am not getting a breakdown of Moderator action, but it doesn't take one much to figure it out.

I.e you see someone post something against forum rules, and for days on end , you see that person's signature or thread, it goes unchanged, deleted or amended.

So yes your point stands, if you meant I wasn't getting hourly updates.

 

Incorrect...never did I say I go to TTP. I've never been near their shop and I've never met anybody that works there, I've only heard countless happy customers praising their work. Great assumption though however wrong it was...

And considering that you were posting in that thread I linked on the same day that I linked it, I think I could manage to figure out that that thread had nothing to do with your ban which happened a few weeks back. Doesn't take half a brain to figure that out.

I just think it's more appropriate and professional if you would just focus on making informative threads (they are, I'll admit) rather than bashing other vendors. It's so much more enjoyable reading about your new 2.4L block rather than you throwing fits about TTP's dyno.

 

To address this.

It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. It matters what was said/done. Okay, the mod PM'd the vendor? Who says the mod didn't PM the member?

Clearly, for the mod to PM the vendor the vendor reported the post or PM'd the mod because of the issue. Therefore all that proves is the mod responded to the issue.

If the member was given a ban either he had previous points that added up to ban time or the infraction he received warranted such actions.

If I am PM'd by a vendor or member about a specific issue I always respond to them. I don't ignore my PM's even when I resolve issues. I feel if they took the time to PM me I can do the same. Even if it's just to say "Done."

The reality is you have no clue what happens behind the scenes and it's unfair you attempt to make us look bad with some story that lack legitimacy.

 

What is your point here?

Members/vendors break the rules and they pay for it?

No, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who got in trouble and why.

I was just a regular old member once too. I know what it's like to be on the other side. Short of actually "knowing" the reason a member/vendor was reprimanded; usually I had a good idea.

 

Lacks legitimacy ? I think the story is/was very legitimate. Its not something that was made up... it was not meant to make you (the mods) look bad. It was meant to point out that what you specifically stated about members not knowing about what happens and mods not giving out details as to what happens was false.

I agree with the member obviously said some wrong things... honestly i dont remember him cursing, i dont think he did anything other then a little bashing for some service or goods he was displeased with. Given, he didnt go thru "the process" but the thread was not his... he was commenting on something and the vendor did as well and much like this conversation, it blossomed. In that situation though, with what was said by both parties, they both should have received an infraction and ofcourse did not.

I think the reality is... sometimes with the mod/member relationship, there is no reality, because it changes from day to day and from mod to mod. You never know what you are going to get. Some mods are definitely not user friendly. Yet another case and point.... i received an infraction for "vending without vender status" I had a link in my signature to a vendor that apparently did not renew their membership to the site. I had no idea, and instead of asking me to remove the link, i received the infraction. I PM'd the mod explaining the situation and he refused to remove the infraction. It took me PM'ing another mod a week or 2 later to get it reversed and the crazy part.... by that time, the vendor was back on the site again. How this situation should have worked.... which has happened to me as well, I received a PM from a mod asking me to remove a link in my sig because the vendor was not affiliated with evoM. I went to go remove the link and PM him back to let him know that i had when i realized he was mistaken and the vendor still was a member of the site. He apologized, no harm no foul... the situation was handled the way it should have been. There should be rules in place as to how mods should handle certain situations.

This isnt meant to make you look bad, just show a "legitimate" point that mods arent always user friendly and in that case i think you would agree, the original mod was in the wrong for going to that extreme. And apparently he didnt even have a clue that the vendor i had in my sig was even affiliated with the site.

 

Of course things will vary from mod to mod.

Just like in every other realm of human decision. Which guy you get at the deli counter, which police officer pulls you over, or which car salesman you get. That's not just an evom thing. Every company has rules for their employees but rules can't stop personalities from showing up. You make it sound like that kind of thing happens no where but here.

We, as mods, have a rule set. It is open to interpretation as are rules anywhere. Some mods will follow them to the very "T." Some mods will follow them loosely. Some mods will enforce them on a case to case basis. No different than a chef following a recipe.

Are we going to make every member/vendor happy with our decisions? Not a chance in heaven. Even when we follow protocol to a "T" someone will be unhappy. I like to think when someone is unhappy we take the necessary steps to try and make it right.

 

Away from that.

If any members/vendors have some rule change suggestions or anything of the sort; please feel free to voice them.

I am interested in what members/vendors would like to see done differently.

 

"Any rule not mentioned below" should not be a rule. That gives any mod the power to issue an infraction for absolutely anything.

Infractions: They mean nothing. I suspect most people feel this way as well. They're just annoying. When I've been "banned" I just clear my cookies. I don't understand the whole "ban" concept as no one gets banned from this site. They're just not allowed to post. Is that really a punishment? No. People just create new accounts when that happens. If you're going to ban someone, BAN THEM. Add their IP address to a list and block them from accessing the site.

We should be able to delete our accounts. I don't understand why you would would want to disable an account forever after a billion (fifty?) infractions, but you won't let a user simply delete their account. Maybe I'm missing where that feature is, but trust me, I've looked for it before.

And then there's the "upvote" "downvote" thing that I'd like to see. I see a lot of posts that I feel are worthless and I wish the community could downvote like other social news sites / forums I'm a member of. I already talked about this one though.

Just a few thoughts based on my short amount of time here.

 

The whole point of a ban is to prevent someone from posting for a period of time. If someone makes another account to get around the ban, the vast majority of the time, we catch them at it, and all that does is increase the duration of their ban. As for IP banning, we avoid that unless absolutely necessary. Most ISPs dynamic IPs and if you ban an IP, or a block of IPs, you end up blocking legitimate users.

As for deleting accounts, we don't allow that because often, when someone's wants their account deleted, they've scammed a user and are trying to get away from it.

I like the idea of voting up/down posts but that's something an admin will have to look into.