Agreed. I have gotten a worse impression of Shiv than Al when it comes to "discussing" what's better. But I may be biased by product, and I may have just read the wrong threads, so anyone reading this might want to take that with a grain of salt.

I'm still not sure what to think of these accusations of Al using other screen names to promote his product. Again, I may have missed the thread where he actually admitted to doing this, but if he hasn't truly admitted to it then he should be given the benefit of the doubt until we know for sure. That type of thing is difficult to prove, and we may never have a definite answer on it. If there is definite proof, can someone please direct me to it?

Cabo

 

Like i stated earlier this whole situation is a sham. Here is why. The reason they claim they took AL's "selling privledge" away is because he started fights, flame wars yada yada yada. So you take away his vendor rights but continue to let him post? Thats makes NO SENSE! If he was selling a ****ty product then that would make sense to pull his product but thats not the case. The bottom line is that SHIV does put more money into this board so he has the inside hook up. Hell he's a moderator.

Also - Shiv you asked what have you done, I dont see you in any hurry to pull the thread off your forum about al being a liar etc. IF you were as mature as yousay you are then handle it like a mature adult and quit supplying a forum for bashing. Lets see if you have the courage to make that happen!

 

You lost the professionalism that a vendor and moderator on this site should have. You can't honestly be sitting here thinking you are blameless in the flame wars. You may be a bit more subtle in your actions, but your actions have been clear. You help incite a riot and you don't maintain your professionalism. If you truly are on much higher ground than Al, you should have acted like it.

 

I don't know what is more harmful to a community: people expressing their opinions/conclusions based upon incomplete information or people expressing their opinions/conclusions out of malice. Although the former is more innocent, they both go a long way in obscuring truth from fallacy. Instead of being in such a rush to place blame, many of us would encourage you to learn the entire story first. There is so much more to this situation than most of you know.

My 2c,
shiv

 

I completely disagree... Shiv has only been acting this way in defense of what Al started. The reason Al was punished was because he is the one egging everyone to mudsling Shiv and Shiv has nothing to do but to retaliate. As Mark stated in his posts this has NOTHING to do with Vendor Status.

EDIT: And the Al using multiple usernames issue has been affirmed by our staff. We have the ability to track IP addresses and match them between users.

 

Earlier, you mentioned that you are not really up on all the Al vs. Shiv background. Given that, I have to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

Shiv only on defense: Well, I don't agree with that. There are posts he started that seemed to be attacking in nature. The one that comes to mind is the one that he subtitled "Sorry Al". In my book, he isn't sqeuaky clean on this.

Vendor Status & $$$: I doubt there was a conscience weighing of this. Could the $$$ have effected the decision at an unconscience level---yes. I like many see bias in how this was handled. There are other steps that would have been more logical than going straight to banning him as a vendor.

 

Those words are probably worth more than 2 cents, and there is definitely some wisdom in them. That is why I said to take what I say with a grain of salt. I don't have enough time to browse these boards and draw the most accurate conclusion that I can. With that in mind, I could very easily be wrong in all that I have said.

I only have a 'gut' reaction to go by right now. I expect this whole thing to sort itself out and eventually I will be able to draw my own conclusions without any doubt in my mind. I'll put in some extra reading tonight and see what I come up with.

Considering I was almost always the shortest guy in my classes in school, maybe I tend to side with the underdog? (HAHA)

Time will tell.

Cabo

 

All I can say is that Shiv is really just a human being like you or I - just super competative like myself. Cars and motorsports are a competative pursuit.

I am sure that his rivalry with me has caused him to do things which he is not proud of just as I have done things that I am not proud of.

I would like this stituation to result in ALL parties - myself included - to move into a more positive vibe.

After three years of hate, attacks and trash talking - this is getting old

And finally - DON'T kick a dog when he is down - Shiv you won the battle - they threw me off - don't revel in my misery - it shows no class

I am down - but not out - Dyno Flash is in it for the long haul

Best regards to all !

 

SLAM! That sums it up.

 

I would like to applaud your excellent posts, vision of reality and wisdom. You are definately a realist I and all of us can learn from! You completely and accurately summarize the situation for people of all cognitive funtions to process.

 

kk gave him his pms back no need to rally for him its officially DONE!

 

hmmm funny that you already know that KK gave him back his PM's. A little insider info ?

 

KK just posted that in the other thread.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...635#post661635

Guys, I have contacted Al privately after work (got home at 9:30pm). I am willing to get him his PMs. I'm not triying to shut his business down. He conducted his own actions and I warned him for numerous months.

At this time a limited account for selling is not an option, as the issue at this time is the relationship between EvoM and DynoFlash. In addition, money has not and will not play a factor in a return for Al/DynoFlash.

I find this whole thing to be quite unfortunate. It's a headache for everyone involved, but in the end, this was a decision that I felt I had to make, however tough it may seem.

Those who know me, know that I am not an irrational person and I think my posts & actions support that. I'm sure there will be a number of members that are split on the decision I've made. My goal isn't to have everyone choose sides on this matter. I just wanted to give the members an explanation on what happened so that things aren't hidden from everyone.

Our of respect for our rules and the situation that has occured over the past few days, I'm asking that members please keep future replies civil. There's a number of posts that need to be edited or removed at this time as they are uncalled for (Gonna clean things later as I'm really really tired). Arguing won't alter any views or solve any of the situations at this time, so let's be civil to one another.

Thanks,

Mark


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I usually just read it

 

First of all Al, please don't speak for me or put words into my mouth. And secondly, I won no "battle". There is no zero sum game here.

shiv