Gosh...I was really hoping to find out when Al was coming to Houston.

 

i took it to the PM and Tony Blair told me that he wasnt even going to Houston

 

Woosh, you should meet him if he does go to HOU. Really something to behold.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=108931 if u want to know when he is coming

 

here is my dynograph Al -- Notice above 5500rpms, it gets pretty bumpy? That is your street tune WITH smoothing. Still pretty sparatic if you ask me.

 

I'm sorry EVOTEXAS, I don't beholding no man.

 

Monkey, I dont have any other dyno sheets from Wasbi to compare your sheet to. Without seeing other dyno sheets and knowing the settings used and the testing conditions it would be very hard for me to draw any conclusions. Generally, I look at the trq curve to see how smooth it is and that trq is fairly flat. (However it looks a bit low on the trq side - but again different dynos read differently). I have certainly seen a lot rougher dyno sheets than yours. If you are disatisfied with the way your car runs with my product then all I would say is that I appologize for not meeting your expectations. As an side, were you running the same boost controller on the car at the dyno test and you when I tuned it? Thanks

 

LOL, its always the boost controller!

 

yup. Haven't changed a thing since the tune. Same boost controller at the same setting. Same exhaust. Same intake, etc.

 

I like to tune on evos which hold a fairly steady boost. It makes more a better and smoother power band. In many - MANY - cases cars we encounter have boost leaks or improperly intsalled boost controllers or boost controllers which do not work well on evos. Evos have a turbo which is working over time already and the smallish turbo will not hold a steady boost unless the boost control system and intercooler pipes are all properly configured. I do not recall the details of the tune on Monkey's car and how the boost was holding, however, I do have his tune saved and I have reviewed it very carefully against other calibration maps with silmilar modifiaction configurations. The reason why I ask the question is becuase the VE table on his fuel maps shows a car which is generally pulling a bit less on the higher rpms but average in the lower rpms. In some cases this can be explained by a boost curve falling off a bit more than avearge (1 - 1.5 psi with a proper boost controller). His tune, however is quite typical for 93 octane and his modifications and should result in a very smooth power band and a decent power level. The trq curve on his dyno sheet looks fairly smooth so I would epect his car is operating within normal paramaters.

 

all i had was a:

hks rs intake
3 inch catback
works p2

thats all, and once again this is a coservative mustang dyno.



if you notice i made 13 more lb. per ft of tq. at 750 less rpms than monkeys evo did. and he had a downpipe and cat delete all i had was a catback. plus there is only 11 hp difference and he was producing it at a higher rpm. now wouldn't the better tq. at a lower rpm and comparable hp at a lower rpm be a safer tune since the engine doesnt have to work as hard to produce those numbers????

 

Its very hard to draw those kind of conclusions without all the data
Generally I woild say that the results with similar mods (slight differences) are in the same ball park with one making more top end power and one making more low end power. Generally it seems the Mustang dyno reads a bit lower than the more familar dyno jet. In your case, I would assume that your work's product included the boost hose from Works and well as the boost control in the ecu flash. We have noted that the Works P2 generally produces a significant initial spike of boost up in the lower end of the power band - particularly in higher gears.

Also as to an earlier peak of trq - that is cuased by the dyno operator in this case who "floored" the throttle on your car at 3300 rpms and on Monkeys he did not nail the gas till 3700. Obviously when we are doing dyno comparisions between on tuning change to the other we always use the same dyno starting and sopping points and hit the gas at the same point.

Therefore, I would attribute your initial increase in low end trq to running a slightly higher boost than Monkey who had 20.5 psi which is on the conservative side

The extra power that Monkey was making up top is no dount where your boost was tapering down to a more steadt 19 - 20 psi and we see the gains of the cat delete and down pipe of Monkey starting to show some advantage.

Overall - both results are quite close and obviously the Works' tune and product is excelent as usual.

They both have nice broad and smooth tq curves.

You Gentleman are trying to make general conclusions about various tuning products by making comparisions on cars that have dissimilar modifications and configurations. Individual car to car variances are greater than the variation between those two dyno sheets. When we are testing our flashes and making changes we look at the results of 15 or 20 difference cars on the dyno. Also, just for the record, my dyno tunes with the HKS RS KIT all make 290 - 305 whp and similar tq numbres without exception. The HKS intake should be a 8 - 12 whp advantage. Those who want to know how a particular flash or product works should look at a group of dyno sheets and see the track times that the particular set up has produced on customer cars. In the case of one dyno sheet - you have car to car variance and possible inconsistancy of dyno testing methods which can make a significant difference in the figures obtained.

 

my work p2 was set up to run only 19 psi.

everyone knows a dp and cat delete are good for at least 20 hp in most cases more.

 

Most works P2 which I have tested spike much higher then settle down to 19 psi towards red line. This is one of the reasons why we did not go with a so called "boost pill" or boost hose.

DP and cat delete will make more or less whp depending on the other supporting mods on the car.

For example - on a car with cams the dp and cat delete will make huge power gains - prob closer to 30 whp

While on a stock car - the dp and cat delete will prob only yield less than 10 whp.

In most cases the majority of the gains from a dp and cat delete come with tuning to compensate.

If your more curious about what various mod combos can produce with my tuning product I encourage you to go to my section of the fourms and review some of my so called "case studies" or many of the other dyno sheets posted there

Unlike many other reflash tuners, I post the majority of dyno sheets that we do so that customers can get a feel for the kind of tuning that I do and see how much power is generally made with various modification paths. Its funny how some of the companies are hardly posting any dyno sheets.

Also, many of my customers have gone to other dynos and posted up dozens and dozens of dyno sheets. Also - the best horsepower measure of them all is the drag strip and there are hundreds of reports of track times posted here on these forums. It is NO accident that I have the most evo customers going 11.99 and faster with my flash product.

 

Al, why do you keep saying 11.99 and faster? It's not the Dynoflash, it's the aftermarket turbo. How many run 11's on the stock turbo with your flash?

Also, why do you always refer to yourself as "we?"