After your review you posted and how you have said "No other shop has gone outta their way to help me", I'll gladly take your challenge loud mouth. I've kept quiet after wanting to post from start to finish what we did for you, and when you suddenly weren't getting anymore handouts from us, neglecting to install the parts I sent you for FREE, you went running the other way. It is what it is though. I'm glad your over there and that those guys are taking care of you. Its where you belong.

And its funny how you and your buddy come swinging on someone else's nuts, but yet he says everyone else swings off of ours? And didn't you just say that National Speed did something to your car that pissed you off? How is oftheheavens above post any different? He's basically explaining what happened to your "JDM bumper" happened to a part of his vehicle when he was at their shop. Seems like you and your counterpart BOTH are contridicting yourselves.


Wow.

 

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i like spec ops more and more every day....lol awesome!

 

Alright man before your vagina gets so full of sand you have a meltdown I'll try to address your concerns.

First and foremost my biggest problem with "Spec-Ops" is the complete lack of tact. Talking down about other shops/vendors is not only inappropriate, but it speaks loads on you as a person. I'm sorry but professionalism and common sense should dictate that this is not the right way to go about communicating with anyone...let alone customers. This was one thing that turned me off the most and pushed me in the direction of other said business if you must know.

Since you want to try to air dirty laundry out on open forums I'll be more than happy to include my entire experience with you guys if that will make you feel more complete. How about the injectors I had to buy? Why was I asking for handouts Matt (since that's what I was supposedly doing)? Would it be because I wanted my car tuned? Do you supposed it could have been tuned that very first night that you came all the way out to my house (which I did appreciate)?? Apparently it couldn't because there was something wrong with my injectors. So you tuned my car for 880cc's that you guys had because I didn't have the money to blow on a set of injectors at the time.

Funny thing is you ended up selling me a set of 1000cc injectors and the car still made the exact same noise that you were saying was causing a problem. Also on the same note I sold my set of RC 1000's to another guy who used them no problem. I don't recall ever getting an answer on what that random tapping/ticking noise could be. So what should I do as a customer if I come to you for advice and ask what I should do to fix the car and you don't tell me.

I'll fully admit my fuel pump dieing would be considered my fault, and my gaskets that kept blowing would be the same. But don't you think had you tuned my car correctly on the original set of 1000cc injectors that were already in the car which worked fine I would have had to have ANY retunes?? I could have just kept my original tune that you did and fixed the parts that were broken.

And in fact the one person I found truly helpful was the other tall skinny guy with dark hair. When I was there last time and my car decided to blow that turbo flange gasket to pieces and the car was tuned that way he tried to give me some advice on what the culprits could be. Also I didn't have much of a problem with Jason either as he also did not constantly remind me "My d*ck is huge, Force-Fed sucks, I'm a god among men!!"

Oh yes and how did Joe's car turn out? Joe is probably one of the nicest guys I've ever met and never talks **** about anyone. When he paid you to tune his car you could hear it was obviously messed up. It sounded like it was running on 3 cylinders...which as we found out later is exactly what was going on.What kind of tune did you guys give him? You put Tephra in his car and installed the MBC backwards and sent him on his way. Regardless of our experience in cars if you really wanted to be helpful and really wanted us as customers you should be able to troubleshoot at least a little bit. At least say "Hey, this could be what's wrong with your car and it's probably not a good idea if we take your money for a tune until we know the real problem."

 

for all of you that think that this is my first post on the subject, read back like 2-3 pages. I have talked to about 3 different people at forcefed/epic that have said they will take care of me, and have yet to been taken care of.

I am tired of talking to them, and it would cost me more in court fees than the part they ruined.

so get educated before you try to talk to me like a retard.

they are garbage. wether spec ops is great or not is beyond me. but i have heard nothing but good things. period.

I have never been tuned by them, or had a part put in, but i think i will try them out.

 

And Oftheheavens is b*tching for the sake of b*tching. If he has a vendor on here telling him that he was not involved with the damage at all and yet he insists on continuing to blame him then I'm sorry, but he has no ground. Justin is clearly saying that he was in no way involved in the damage of his car and yet he continued.

I simply said what had happened to me. Had this subject never been brought up I wouldn't have said anything. I also even went on to say that National Speed took some initiative to try to correct their mistake which I appreciated. I don't make it a vendetta of mine to knock National Speed and what happened to me wouldn't make me tell any one not to go there. I do that because I respect them as a business which is something you and as it looks, your customers, fail to understand.

I just simply said they aren't as perfect as that guy tried to say with his shameless plug as they have made mistakes on my car and a few others that aren't Evo related. Doesn't make them a bad shop though. Their facility is awesome.

Also how did your venture over on the Subaru forums go? Your guys are so full of Spec-Ops win that you decide to take your impressive bolt-on Evo numbers over to a forum that isn't related to Evo's at all and doesn't give a sh*t for the most part about them. Even I was offended by that because I hang out with very few Evo owners because they are cocky. Through my buddy I've met A LOT of Subaru owners and I tend to like them more because they are out to have fun with their cars and not bash the competition like Evo guys like to do.

And yes, they get it, it's easier to make power in an Evo than a Subaru. No reminders are necessary or wanted.

 

Also just so you don't have the idea in your head that I'm defending Justin you need to realize it's not his problem. Regardless of what happened if he didn't damage your part then it's not his responsibility to figure it out for you. I have only ever dealt with Babi and Justin so I can't help you because I don't know anyone else there.

I feel for you and would also be upset if my part got damaged and no one wanted to help me or do anything about it. But Epic and Force-Fed are in fact 2 different things. So blaming Justin when he's telling you he didn't do anything is not the right thing to do. Even if my best friend worked at a shop that my car got damaged at there is only so much he could do to help get me straight. At the end of the day it's the business owners decision whether your worth paying because it's the right thing to do or he would rather just shrug it off and potentially lose some customers when you tell people about his business practices.

If you feel that the part isn't worth going to court for then that's your call. But if you want something done unfortunately you have to be willing to make sacrifices sometimes. At the same time if it were me in the scenario i would just take them to small claims court and go after the amount of money that the part costs brand new along with the money it cost you to take the time out of your schedule to have to go to court. It might be a hassle, but if you truly feel wronged it might be worth it to take the time and do something legally about it.

Good luck.

 

well since you mention it, as a Marine i do get free legal representation and maybe i should pursue it that way.

But what you are saying is bias and i don't even really feel like addressing it.

 

Then that's probably what you should do.

And also that's fine if you don't address my "bias". I just felt that the way you went about this wasn't right. I'm not saying my response a couple posts up is great either, but I also have kept my mouth shut for a while. I have not once specifically named Spec-Ops on anything and if someone is going to call me out I will happily respond.

Also Cat's response is his response. I don't care at all who's swinging on who's nuts. You want to rep Spec-Ops...awesome. But all dealings that myself and a choice few good friends who also happen to be Evo owners with Justin and Babi are nothing but positive.

 

You know what Dan, your so full of **** on everything except for 1 thing, the boost controller being installed backwards. I'll fully admit that one. Not to make excuses but when we were out there in your front lawn, it was nighttime and yes, the vacuum lines did get installed backwards. Which, when we talked over the phone, that got fixed.

We did troubleshoot Joe's car and did tell him the problem. He wanted the baseflash to help it run better until he could drop it off in October, whenever he was coming up to Ft. Bragg for training. Your right, Joe is one of the nicest guys I've met too. I hope whatever work he gets done to his car, it turns out right for him as he's a great person. As long as he's happy with it when its done, good for him.

Now, if I remember correctly, you were talking **** about FFP when we all were talking and you were dragging their name through the mud to us, just like you did about us when you went to Epic(yes, we still had friends over there at the time that told us what you said, now they have left that shop too.) You asked my opinion about the tuning compared to ours, I replied honestly as that is my personal opinion. Talking ****? Take it how you want but you ask you shall recieve my opinion. Other than that, we were working our asses off and didn't have time to talk about anything until we went on our road tune. As far as the injectors, I didn't replace them for that noise, I replaced them because one wasn't firing. So what your telling me is that you didn't get them flow tested and fixed? Or did you sell somebody a bad set of injectors? You say they worked fine so something is missing there. Did your car run right when we swapped out the injectors compared to the set that was in there? YES. It ran great!

My biggest problem with you, you like to play mom and dad games. I'm done talking about it over the forum and being an internet thug. I'm sure since your badass is coming to fayetteville, I'll see you around. Talk to me then.

 

That works fine for me man. I don't have anything else to say on that subject, but I'm in Fayetteville all the time so I guess we will see what happens.

As entertaining as this is it's gotten absolutely nowhere.

I will conclude that I find it amusing that your buddy that was still working at Epic said I had something to say. Considering I pretty much only talked to Justin or Babi. And if I recall the conversation which I'm sure Justin or Babi can back me up on basically the only thing I said was how much **** you talked. In fact that's pretty much the only thing I ever really hear from them. As much as you might like to think they talk you guys down, I can't remember too much of anything that's a direct insult. I've never heard them say you suck or can't tune or anything about the work that you do. They do say you guys do mostly bolt-on cars, which from the challenge that I issues I can see is kind of true. If there is someone local that is more than just bolt-ons I'm down for a run. And yeah, shop cars don't count because if you need a shop car to beat me or Cat that's not saying much man.

Also aside from bs I see here I never hear anyone saying anything. This is the first time I've been on the Lejeune thread in a while because I personally grow a little sick and tired of the bs games and the talk. If Spec-Ops and Force-Fed/Epic don't get along that's perfectly fine. Not everyone is going to get along. But I just don't agree with the fact that the customers know about it. There is no reason that it should be getting out the way that it does. Originally had you not said anything about the guys over there I wouldn't have known there was a fued at all.

And I will agree I may have said something against Epic. Well it was mostly Babi because he was the only one over there that did anything to my car. And that was because I was ignorant and I blamed him and his tune for my car running poorly. My car had other issues that were beyond his control. Personally I really like Babi and won't make that mistake again. But also I even told him how I felt about it. I told him specifically when him and I started talking again that I left and blamed him cause I thought it was his fault. So I will happily own up to what I've said.

Just like I'm not going to sit here and insult what you guys have done. Did everything go as planned when I went to you guys? No. But I didn't ***** about it. I mean I'm saying whatever about it now because it's been brought up. Nowhere on the forums have I ever mentioned your name. If I talk to another Evo guy who wants work done naturally I suggest where I take my car, but I don't degrade your shop or services. If someone says they are taking their car to you guys I don't say anything cause it's none of my f*cking business.

So you can say I play mom and dad games, but I definitely will refer you to a pot and a kettle because word around the camp fire is you are one of the biggest **** talkers out there. Unlike you though I never mention or talk about you guys (and I say you guys, but I mean you because honestly my dealings with Jason and the others were pleasant. I have nothing bad to say about them personally because I actually believe that they do in fact value the customer over this bullsh*t crap you have going with Epic) until someone engages me in a conversation about it. If after today no one brings up your name or anything that was done then I will probably never say your business name again because it literally has nothing to do with me or my life.



At the end of the day I don't personally have a problem with you. I don't think about it and don't really care what you are doing cause it has no impact on my life. If you guys are doing well and are successful then great. If not then it means probably the same to me. Don't insult me personally (as no matter what I don't/won't say anything on a personal level about you) and I won't have any problems with you. We can continue this stupidity if you want as I'm definitely game for that, but I feel that it's time for everyone (including myself) to grow up and get over it.

 

Nice talking to you and thank you for the link. We'll be over there shortly!

 

What?

 

Speaking of education please explain to me which one you have, and what you've achieved? Nvm you'll lie about it. Second the only retard, Unprofessional, not only ignorant but immature person here is you! Grow up and learn to take responsiblity for what you started and admit to being wrong. This should have never reached the forum. So do your self a favor and dont mention education ever again when its obvious you have none.

Did i get challenged by a shop car!?! wow seriously? im flattered. yea.. way to go. I've never said anything negative about Spec-Ops not once. but since you went on and called me a loud mouth, well.... maybe i am but i can back my $hit up. Its a shame you challenged me with a shop car. I WANT YOUR CUSTOMERS!!! not your shop car. This is not even about you or your shop. Its about your "loud mouth" intake and exhaust customer.

Majoring in business management. How about someone coordinates a shootout with cars from both shops. This could be benifical for both parties, not only that but it will be fun since nothing goes on here. Its an opportunitiy to squash this non sense and gain potential customers since there are more than enough future customers running around and coming back from deployment blowing ridiculously amount of money on cars that are horribly built and slow. I've been here over 4 years and found out about you guys last year. Take a look around jville. Why do I see all these Evos and Stis being worked on shops that have the lot filled with 99% civics and without a AWD dyno! (you see i didnt mention name of shops) Dont let these other shops take away from what is yours.

*Not taking advantage of the military because I've done my 4 years and wished I would of known about these two shops. So much money lost and very little done. This happens everyday in jville.

That's all I gotta say. Its been a long day of getting my feelings hurt over the internet. Everyone have a nice day, and im looking foward to meeting everyone even you offtheheavens. lets do less talking and more driving.

 

I skipped reading a lot of the BS back and forth...

Dan,

As Matt has said, most of the bad mouthing started with you and your opinion about your experience over there... which is why we were contacted in the first place was it not ? Please forgive the Spec Ops ignorance as we couldn't diagnose a warped flange when we were apparently troubleshooting in the dark on your lawn, troubleshooting in the dark outside our shop... Its funny how we were able to diagnose it was an issue exactly where you found the issue, we just weren't sure if it was the gasket or the flange. Our customer service tells us, take the car home, replace the cheaper part first. If that doesn't fix it, we can address the problem completely when you bring it back. Which brings me to another funny point.... the last thing you said to me before you left...

"Thanks guys for all your help, the next time i see you guys im going to actually have to give you some money for all of the work and tuning you are doing trying to get my car right"

Then conveniently you ran somewhere else... I call it like i see it. If that isn't what happened, please, call me a liar. Everything we did for you, we did for free, all labor, all gas (in a RV mind you) all everything except a set of injectors that we gave to you to diagnose an issue. There isn't another shop anywhere I have ever seen or heard about that makes those types of sacrifices for something that wasn't their own fault to begin with.

Anyhow, im going to let this horse die.... its beaten. I hope everyone sincerely enjoys their cars nomatter where the work is done. In the end, we are here for the community, nomatter how bad the community sometimes can be.

Everyone have a great superbowl weekend.

 

That wasn't directed towards you. Unless it was your car that had the dyno results posted on the Subaru forums. If so then you know what you did wrong. If not then sorry, it had nothing to do with you. Just Evo owners posting Evo dyno results on a Subaru forum doesn't do too much except annoy said Subaru owners. Some are cool with it, while most others don't really care what Evo's dyno. They don't come to our forum to post their numbers.



But otherwise I'm done with all this. It's not worth the drama and BS. If you guys are interested in some friendly racing then that's fine. Otherwise I'm not interested in carrying this on anymore. I don't eat, sleep and breathe cars like some of the people here so I don't really care at the end of the day who goes to what shop. My friends will more than likely follow me to any shop I go to because of the results I have and not the BS I talk.

I know which shop I'll continue to go to and otherwise I wish the other shops best of luck. Unless it's brought up I never say anything about any of the shops and will continue to do so. I know Cat still wants to race some of the guys around here and I'm down for the same. So if anyone is willing to run then let's do this for the fun of it. Otherwise I wouldn't keep talking about which shop sucks if you're not willing to back up your shop where it counts. That's my opinion on the subject. Hopefully everyone has themselves some fun for the super bowl.