Porsche GT3
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Porsche GT3
Been doing a bunch of GT3 testing recently. This is Porsches Rwd, naturally aspirated, 82000rpm, $100k racer. Comes stock with adjustable sway bars, fully adjustable coilovers and 380bhp. Should have seen the hot lap (a bit too hot for my taste!)
Puts down 310-315whp on our DD dyno stock.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
Puts down 310-315whp on our DD dyno stock.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Dec 22, 2004 at 03:16 AM.
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Been doing a bunch of GT3 testing recently. This is Porsches Rwd, naturally aspirated, 82000rpm, $100k racer. Comes stock with adjustable sway bars, fully adjustable coilovers and 380bhp.
Puts down 310-350whp on our DD dyno.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
Puts down 310-350whp on our DD dyno.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Been doing a bunch of GT3 testing recently. This is Porsches Rwd, naturally aspirated, 82000rpm, $100k racer. Comes stock with adjustable sway bars, fully adjustable coilovers and 380bhp.
Puts down 310-350whp on our DD dyno.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
Puts down 310-350whp on our DD dyno.
No turbos! That's the same whp a 996 twin turbo puts down to all four wheels, btw.
Shiv
but once you compare the area under the graphs.... game over.
btw, i love the GT3 and i think it's a sweet car.
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Originally Posted by e8
but once you compare the area under the graphs.... game over.
Stock 993tt put down 300-310whp and around (IIRC) 320lb-ft of torque.
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Well, if you figure that any highly tuned modern N/A engine should make ~100bhp/L, the GT3's 3.6L 24V six with variable cam timing should easily be able to do it. After all, Porsche had 40 years to iron the bugs out of that one.
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
Originally Posted by Ted B
Well, if you figure that any highly tuned modern N/A engine should make ~100bhp/L, the GT3's 3.6L 24V six with variable cam timing should easily be able to do it. After all, Porsche had 40 years to iron the bugs out of that one.
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
I had an S2000 and that car was great. On a stright line it was very close to the EVO (from a role) of course from 0 the EVO was much faster.
I would still take the Skyline over the 911 turbo and the 911 turbo over the GT3
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Yep... the stock 993tt we tuned with an XEDE 2 days ago made 360whp with nearly 500lb-ft of torque. That's over twice the peak torque as the GT3. Also on 91oct pump gas. On race gas, torque and hp numbers increase by 50-60. Stock 993tt put down 300-310whp and around (IIRC) 320lb-ft of torque.
Stock 993tt put down 300-310whp and around (IIRC) 320lb-ft of torque.I'll buy a 993tt and send it to you if you carry the insurnce for a year
Originally Posted by MyCre8n=Evlshn
So which makes a quicker lap: The gt3 or a tuned evo?
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While confirming the GT3's performance last year, I noticed the 2005 One Lap is staying in the East. Is Vishnu running again with Paul behind the wheel? I might be able stop by and watch at 2 of the tracks!
Last edited by kdogg; Dec 22, 2004 at 06:20 AM.
Shiv....I have a customer interested in buying a 993 twin turbo (last of the air cooled) of the 96-97 vintage, will the Xede work on it?....rated at a clip over 400hp approximately how much increase would the xede give it with no other supporting mods?
Originally Posted by Ted B
Well, if you figure that any highly tuned modern N/A engine should make ~100bhp/L, the GT3's 3.6L 24V six with variable cam timing should easily be able to do it. After all, Porsche had 40 years to iron the bugs out of that one.
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
Nevertheless, if you want to make a stark comparison between the Porsche and an EVO, consider the Porsche engine is capable of well over 300bhp in N/A trim. Add a turbo to the mix (a la 996), and the result is going to be brutal. Meanwhile, remove the turbo from an EVO, and you have a puny 2.0L 4cyl in a 3000+lb sedan that would make maybe upwards of 190-200bhp and not have enough torque to peel the skin off a grape. That's anything but exciting <yawn>.
In other words folks, we're driving a car that is only what it is as a result of a turbo. Meanwhile, the Porsche kicks *** even without it. Ah well, reality sucks!
your not really being fair.. the GT3 is a flat6 and costs about 6 or 7 times what the evo costs! if mitsu designed the evo to start at 100G's, even with 4 cylinders it would be a monster
Originally Posted by Dyno4mance
Shiv....I have a customer interested in buying a 993 twin turbo (last of the air cooled) of the 96-97 vintage, will the Xede work on it?....rated at a clip over 400hp approximately how much increase would the xede give it with no other supporting mods?
Yes it will work. I know a guy in CT that is making over 600whp on pump gas DYNO JET POWER on two wheels with a Fricken UNI-CHIP. XEDE would kick major but in the 993TTs.
Eric