Geez Louise, you guys are relentless. Here is my point:

I was planning on keeping the stock turbo. No cams. Then Shiv said he's coming down here. Then I said, FP, why don't you put a ti wheel in this '05 I have. Then the next day, the WR is revealed.

I wanted to keep my car as stock as possible. Now I need injectors and a fuel pump. Back off I say (makes cross sign with index fingers).

Not to mention, I have a wedding very soon and it ain't cheap. I'm not broke, but I ain't putting cams on the car right now for the last time

When I put cams in, I'll be taking off the head. So I don't want to drop that kind of coin right now. Try converting someone else to the darkside. I shall not fall for your wiley ways

 

Atlvalet
you should buy my cams
you dont need cam gear to run them and they sound and idle just like stock
I'm selling them cheap

 

Away with you, vermin!!!!

 

I hope this thing is in at least a TD06 housing. Because if it isn't, there is no way it is going to even be close to a garrett 3071 up top. Sure, it will still spool fast, but if the dealer won't be able to tell, it sounds to still be in a TD05 housing. Snake oil, IMO. On a Dyno Dynamics, I'll wager money that a Stage 2 (non-ATP 3071)with a collar and otherwise identical mods will eat a white rabbit car. Both XEDEs of course. Plus, look at that price.. ouch! 3071 or 3037 for me, please.

 

On race probably.

On pump? - Dunno.

 

Noise, I agree with you. At first, I thought this WR turbo would be close to my new AMS 3071 kit. But now that I think about it, my AMS 3071 kit is just a different beast. We will soon see what happens when I put my new turbo kit up with the Xede SMART technology on the rollers...

 

Hey, I for one never tried to compare this to a Stage2. This is a turbo that has stock-like spool that doesn't die on the top end. and frankly, that's all I've been looking for. I don't need a Dyno King (or Queen for that matter).

This is not a TD06 housing. It's a modified 10.5 (if I understand things). I hate lag. Ergo I love this turbo.

 

Go ahead...spend twice as much and obtain similar results. It's your money.

 

IMO it's getting to the point where you are going to start seeing very application specific turbo upgrades. Clearly the white rabbit turbo is going to be very, very tough to beat on a pump gas tune. Personally I'm thinking that it will end up being neck and neck with your average GT3071R, since both spool up fairly quickly and both flow similar amounts of air (~700cfm). However, I think the GT3071 may hold a slight edge in boost response due to the bb cartridge (I don't think the WR is a bb turbo, right?).

Oh well, it's all academic to me right now anyways, since I've opted for an AMS 3071 kit anyways... mwahahah!!!

l8r)

 

How much ya wanna bet Forced Performance has more to come? Count on it!

 

I wouldn't call the White Rabbit laggy by any means, but it definitely does not have stock spool characteristics. Look closely at the horsepower and torque numbers at 3500 rpms compared to the TME, which has 60 more torque, 40 more whp.

 

I don't think your doing an apples to apples hear. Come on, you have totally different cars your comparing with different mods and different dynos .Check the WR post and note the graph posted by FP with a fair comparison, only thing changed is the turbo. AT NO POINT DID THE TME HAVE MORE THAN A FEW HP OR FT LBS ADVANTAGE. And, at 4500 rpm, the WR took off.

 

Robert,
I know that you are a good guy and I respect you. But you are wrong on a couple of points. First, when you say "the only thing changed is the turbo" that is false. And when you say "at no point did the TME have much of an advantage" I guess you consider 60 torque and 40 whp at 3500rpms insignificant.

Finally, I wholeheartedly agree that the WR takes off at 4500 rpms, but my point was that it lags behind stock turbos getting to that point. It is a great turbo, but don't overblow it. I don't believe it spools like stock.

 

Robert,
Are you looking at the same charts we are?? Or am I misreading the top graph? The top chart is a TME vs WR, correct? If so, from 2500 RPM to around 5200 RPM the TME is quite a bit ahead of the WR and let me tell you, on the street that can make all the difference in the world. The TME equipped car would probably get a good jump on the WR and it could be a real hard game of "catch up". I wouldn't call 60 ft lbs of torque and 40 hp "a few HP". And to be honest if you look at the graph closely you'll see that at 4000 RPM the WR's rate of climb is not near as steep as it was from 2500-4000 RPM. Just an observation, I think this thing has potential but I'm gonna wait and see. And of course, all this is just IMHO.
John

 

We can bullsh!t back and forth all we want, but until someone takes a normal bolt on Evo (TBE, cams, cam gears, flash or piggy back instead of stand alone, injectors, maybe intake/DV, piping and maybe intercooler) and makes say three runs with the TME and then lets it cool down to swap the WR and makes some runs once re-tuned, this is all cojecture. At the rate that people seem to be picking this thing up at, I do not think that we will have to wait very long to see just such a comparison. Until then we can just argue until the cows come home, or the rabbit does at least.

And yes, I have read the thread and Tym has run it, but I would like to see no stand alone and some cams for a back to back comparison....