Pizzed Off About Maps!!!
Whoo, hoo - This is almost exactly what I've been looking for!
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
I was looking for a '05 Sub-Zero map.
I have made a post. I also emailed and such and recieved two maps, one from Shiv (on a post) and one from Dustin (from an email). The maps have major differences in timing and fuel. I tried to get Shiv to tell me what one to use but never got a strait answer. Here is the thread (IT HAS BOTH MAPS AVALIBLE FOR DOWNLOAD).
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=166216
I have made a post. I also emailed and such and recieved two maps, one from Shiv (on a post) and one from Dustin (from an email). The maps have major differences in timing and fuel. I tried to get Shiv to tell me what one to use but never got a strait answer. Here is the thread (IT HAS BOTH MAPS AVALIBLE FOR DOWNLOAD).
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=166216
Thanks again,
Adam
Originally Posted by EVIL_EV0
Well I am glad to see the maps finally get posted......however it shouldn't take a thread like this to get support. I'm not going to apologize for this post. It should be Vishnu apologizing for the delay. I consider the thread justified as there are still people asking for lower stage maps that haven't been posted and we are still stuck using SMART maps with zero'd cells. These SMART-disabled maps have been giving a few of us problems because they take longer to load.
There are still unanswered questions about race gas maps and it would also be nice if you explained the drastic changes in the pump gas maps.
I know you said the stage zero plus map is from a car you tuned in Texas but do you really think its smart to post a map that has only been proven on one car?
I feel you should dedicate a little more time to your existing customer base. Unhappy customers are the primary source to find new ways to improve you customer support.
There are still unanswered questions about race gas maps and it would also be nice if you explained the drastic changes in the pump gas maps.
I know you said the stage zero plus map is from a car you tuned in Texas but do you really think its smart to post a map that has only been proven on one car?
I feel you should dedicate a little more time to your existing customer base. Unhappy customers are the primary source to find new ways to improve you customer support.
Last edited by lambtron; Nov 22, 2005 at 12:31 PM.
It shouldn't take 3 phone calls for something as simple as e-mailing a file. There should be a system in place that allows you to leave a message, the calls get sorted and the proper person responds in a timely fashion.
You guys ARE in the service business, after all.
You guys ARE in the service business, after all.
If I was sitting pretty and didn't need anything from these guys then, like you, I too wouldn't understand. This problem has been going on FOR A VERY LONG TIME! MANY MANY people have been asking for maps only to be neglected and not even provided with a BS excuse. This isn't some 24 hour old request that has gone unanswered. This has gone on for weeks and has been happening to multiple people.
As for the threat....You're damn right.....They have my cash and they are happy......for me to be happy I want the software I need. I dont care if I ever talk to a person directly but damned if they shouldn't have a fully functional website with the files EVERYONE needs.
We still do not have answers about the new maps. Read this and tell me how tested these new maps are:
Hey this sounds great except for the fact that most people were running 11:1 AFR (which is not overly conservative) on the old maps and these friggen things have an arseload more fuel taken out.
Vishnus customers need answers to their questions. You can try calling but not very many of those fellas really have a grasp on the tuning thing. All we can do is wait for Shiv.
As for the threat....You're damn right.....They have my cash and they are happy......for me to be happy I want the software I need. I dont care if I ever talk to a person directly but damned if they shouldn't have a fully functional website with the files EVERYONE needs.
We still do not have answers about the new maps. Read this and tell me how tested these new maps are:
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
The Stg 0+ maps that we posted up are derived from a Stg 0+ car that we tuned in Texas this past week. It worked out quite well. Go for it. The earliest versions of the map were overly conservative. But, in the end, we're only talking about ~10WHP difference between the two maps. If you want to run the more conservative map, it's not going to cost you too much power.Shiv
Vishnus customers need answers to their questions. You can try calling but not very many of those fellas really have a grasp on the tuning thing. All we can do is wait for Shiv.
Just a thought...
I understand where you are coming from and why you are frustrated. My only thought is in Vishnu's defense. In order to create every map they would have to have a car setup in that stage. This takes time....
I have a 03 stage 0+ and just loaded the map that was just placed on the Vishnu site.
There is also considerably more fuel pulled on this map as well. I logged the AF just out of curiosity and it was fine.
You have asked for an official map. Vishnu has provided it. If you still don't trust it I would recommend installing and logging a run or 2.
I understand where you are coming from and why you are frustrated. My only thought is in Vishnu's defense. In order to create every map they would have to have a car setup in that stage. This takes time....
I have a 03 stage 0+ and just loaded the map that was just placed on the Vishnu site.
There is also considerably more fuel pulled on this map as well. I logged the AF just out of curiosity and it was fine.
You have asked for an official map. Vishnu has provided it. If you still don't trust it I would recommend installing and logging a run or 2.
They are for V3 cars without SMART. The maps still show up but aren't used by the unit.
BTW that AFR chart looks lean as hell in the lower RPM range....you shouldn't be running 12:1 on pump gas.
SHOPPING FOR A WIDEBAND NOW.
BTW that AFR chart looks lean as hell in the lower RPM range....you shouldn't be running 12:1 on pump gas.
SHOPPING FOR A WIDEBAND NOW.
Last edited by EVIL_EV0; Nov 22, 2005 at 02:20 PM.
I had smart for awhile but sold it.....they are using the innovate software for the LC1. The problem with that is it only reads AFR over time instead of RPM. Not sure how the above fella logged AFR over RPM that's pretty slick though.
Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
I had smart for awhile but sold it.....they are using the innovate software for the LC1. The problem with that is it only reads AFR over time instead of RPM. Not sure how the above fella logged AFR over RPM that's pretty slick though.
Timing, Air/Fuel, knock, TPS in, TPS_out, MAF in, MAF out, Timing and waste gate solenoid.
They are logged 100 times per second. I just pull them into a predefined XLS doc and voila
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
What are you using to read AFR?
Shiv
Shiv
shiv, can you take a look at my logs? I'm attaching my MAF in/out and AFR logs, and also my fuel map. I have an 03 0+ car with SMART XEDE and MR DV.
The problem that I have is strange MAF readings (MAF out especially). This always occurrs around 6100 rpm. It causes a lot of inconvenience and impossible to tune for because the readings are so erratic. I've been adjusting fuel, timing and boost and it seems like there's nothing I can do to make this problem go away.
This run was made at only 11 psi since this fuel map is too agressive for my car. I think my wideband sensor is going bad, but at the same time my car is very knock prone at anything above 11.5-1 afr even with 3.5 degrees of timing pulled. This makes me think that the AFR is somewhat accurate.
I have plenty more examples of these MAF abnormalities even on fuel maps that only have -4% fuel (like v2 old 0+ maps).
Thanks for the help...
Originally Posted by JTB
I am using donour’s pyxede software. It allows one to log quite a lot.
Timing, Air/Fuel, knock, TPS in, TPS_out, MAF in, MAF out, Timing and waste gate solenoid. They are logged 100 times per second. I just pull them into a predefined XLS doc and voila
Timing, Air/Fuel, knock, TPS in, TPS_out, MAF in, MAF out, Timing and waste gate solenoid. They are logged 100 times per second. I just pull them into a predefined XLS doc and voila

Rushin.....
Are you using the new maps that were just uploaded?
Last edited by EVIL_EV0; Nov 23, 2005 at 07:34 AM.


