i dont know the vishnu tuned black evo and white sti are doin some serious damage!!

 

Here is our mod list btw:

HKS 3037S Turbo Kit
HKS GT FMIC
HKS 272 in/ex cams
HKS cam gears
Sard 800cc injectors
Walbro 255 fuel pump
Trial Ti Exhaust
CUSCO Zero-2R coilovers
CUSCO Type RS front/rear diffs
CUSCO Twin Plate Clutch
CUSCO F/R strut and sway bars
17x9 front and 17x8.5 rear 5Zigen FNO1R-C's
Advan A032R-S tires (245/40/17)
CUSCO 3D GT Wing
Truth front bumper and sides
CUSCO Hood
BOZZ Speed Radiator

 

They should rename the event from Togue to Bogue... Too much politics and bs, IMO. Although I suppose they weren't worse than what FIA is doing to F1 and WRC.

l8r)

 

Since it is a "points" based event, it is more D1ish than anything. Like in the American Togue I, XS Eng WRX got the fastest time, yet the NSX was declaired the Togue Monster. And, since it is based on driving impression, to do it right YOU HAVE to have more than one "judge". As they say, "one man's trash, another man's treasure...".

 

Very true, very true indeed. F1 and WRC are jokes now.

 

Congrats to all you who participated.

OT:When is the Vishnu Website going to get updated with more STi parts? And when are us lowly Subaru guys going to get the custom suspension setup option from you guys? LOL

 

We had fun too. Shiv nice of you to come over. About the tires OVER 1/2 the cars there were running bogus rubber from non DOT Japanese R-compounds to full Slicks...even the specificly banned Hoosiers...Just think Bozz..the first cut is if you can follow directions and appear with the right rubber! then only 18 cars would have been driven!! (and yes I was counting). I also wasn't impressed with the "subjective" driving impressions after hearing several of them..I mean what does "the best turning AWD car I've driven" mean?."most precise turn-in.. NO understeer...VERY balanced"..that's what he said about our entry not quite as much power was the only "complaint" Full interior stock turbo 91 flash and almost full weight RS...the APR (robispec does their suspension setup using their sponsored Tien's) and the Robispec Evo's ran 2nd and third on the judges SUBJECTIVE "points"...and the winner on points broke (sorry John)...the Vishnu car was the fastest Evo time by the end of the day please don't read this post as trying to take anything away from that fact. the thing We all learned is if you go figure skating and expect to be able to determine the results, don't be suprised if the subjective judging is inconsistant.. I think everyone put their BEST effort into how to build a Touge car and some guessed better than others..but in the end it was a pure guessing game with the "rules" and how they were applied as subjective as the choice of champions

 

Are you saying we ran slicks or "bogus non DOT R Compound Tires"?

That is just silly because we ran US DOT A032R's in 245/40/17. People were actually making fun of the tire we use and comment on how narrow it was.

Our car is sponsored by Yokohama/Advan and we have about 40 US Spec DOT A032R's sitting in the shop. Wanna come see those?

- Alex@BOZZ

 

As a fellow "competitor" - RWD turbo class - I can add the following observations (for once - in agreement with Shiv):

(1) The NA RWD Class: No car from this class made it into the finals. The M3, a beautiful and nicely prepped car and the only German vehicle in the event, was told his car was "not entertaining enough" for the video. Could you imagine being one of the "competitors" in this field of approx. 10 NA RWD cars and being sent home with none of the cars selected so that the Vivid Racing Turbo RX-8 could run?

(2) In the turbo RWD class, the 550rwhp Factor X NSX ran a 1:07 lap. In the same class, my ’93 MR2 ran a 1:05 lap. I asked the producers why my car was not advanced into the final round as the winner of my class based on the lap times I observed on the time sheets. I was told that the decision was not based on lap times, but on subjective scores from the driver (if this is case, why bother timing laps?). Naturally, I then asked to see my subjective score as this had not been communicated to me before they announced the class winners to the crowd. When they flipped to that page, the space next to my car was blank and I was told that they had "forgotten" to score my car. So I next asked that if in fact my MR2 set the fastest lap, and received no subjective score, why did my car not advance to the finals? I was told that the answer might be in the driver's notes or in his comments - so naturally we asked to speak to the driver with the help of a translator and his comments on my car were all very positive. This leaves me wondering, on what criteria were the NSX - and a second car from the same class, the Vivid RX-8 - advanced into the "finals"?

(3) In the AWD class, as Shiv pointed out, the unanimous vote was that the Evo advance. I believe this caught the organizers by surprise as they were likely expecting the crowd to be goggle eyed over the prospect of running the Skyline - we weren't.

The fact is, they knew up front that they wanted the silver NSX up against the Silver Skyline with a flashy blue RX-8 and white Civic in there to round out the field.

Does it come as any surprise that before the cars ever hit the track, the Skyline had the camera mounted on it and the Vishnu Evo didn't? Unless that Skyline had broken down mid track and unless the NSX was the recent recipient of a Geo Metro swap, those cars were going to run head-to-head in the finals no matter what and no German car, old platform, quirky car, or anything that doesn't sell a boatload of these videos was going to make it into the final rounds no matter what.

Interestingly, despite the fact that these events cost the entrants thousands of dollars to participate (tires, race fuel, trailers, time off work, etc.) and the fact that people came in from all over the country, all were given in thanks was a T-Shirt - only I didn't get a t-shirt since the ones they were going to give to the "competitors" in thanks were sold for $10 a pop.


I also agree with Shiv's comment to me at the track - how ironic that both SCC in their 2005 USCC shoot out and Best Motoring picked a vehicle (R34 Skyline) that could not legally ever be registered or driven in any state in the U.S.?

If this sounds like sour grapes, maybe it is, but I for one (and I imagine, other competitors) would like to know the true nature of an event before spending sizeable chunks of time and money in preparation. Had I known, I might have procured a Mclaren F1 for the day to have assured myself and my sponors a favorable result - oh wait, that's not a JDM Skyline, so that would have been eliminated too....

-- DavidV

 

I forgot to grab my t-shirt, but I got a tuna sammich.

 

Robi nice objective post. However, what i want to see is Paul vs. Robi # 2. U get a Robi Spec car of your choice with R-compounds and Paul drives the Street Kings Stage 2 Vishnu Sled. Last time u guys met u had car issues so nothing conclusive was proved. I am sure I am not the only one that would like to see this showdown. ( No Shiv I will not shut up!I am an Ape!)

 

when someone loans me an Sti for a few months

P.S. I'm in Colorado

 

the M3 was on Nitto NT-01s... DOT approved. So was Vivid's RX8.

 

only if you ride in the trunk of both cars during the competition (finally an EVO with perfect 50/50 weight distribution!), and yes we'll make you fit

 

EASY Alex,
I was agreeing with your observations. It was nice seeing that BOZZ had tires that QUALIFIED! Bravo! just check at the tire rack! most of the rest of the competitors (in ALL classes) had...the bogus rubber and the V car WAS ON LEAGL RUBBER TOO before it get's around that I'm bashing them!

Sorry for any implied complaint..