I dont thinkg so simply because they can be veto'd by the supermods and they probably will just to keep things fair no?

 

Which I think was the whole point to begin with that not all people are able to tune the evo 9 compared to the 8

 

works for me. i've only been on EvoM for a few months but i've never seen shiv post rude or unprofessional comments, unlike certain other vendors...

 

I have been a good boy lately. I will direct more attention to the WORKs Vendor threads. LOL

 

Al has successfully campaigned for a user blacklist in his forum (e.g. I am on it), so he has limited the potential for issues/criticism that way.

 

That's the problem. That WASN'T the main point. The result of the thread posted in the manner that it was caused for the questioning of road tuning IN GENERAL and Buschur parts IN GENERAL. Had it been explicitly noted that the point of the thread was to question the quality/validity/ability of a road tune on a IX vs a dyno tune, then that would have made a lot more sense. Instead, the Buschur parts were defamed as was the notion of road tuning. The dyno graphs were used to illustrate the above defamations.

If Shiv (or anyone) wants to use this one example as an argument vs Al's road tuning abilities on IXs, then do it and make it clear. Don't just lump all road tuning by Al on any Evo as well as Buschur's parts on every Evo into one big pile with the IX factor.

 

Guys, as I understand it, if a guy posts a legitimate problem with a Vishnu product or service, then Shiv cannot just delete it or he will be overruled by the mods of this site.

I for one am interested to see if there will be any resolution to the discussion of how to properly tune Evo 9s.

Adam

 

Exactly my point. If the thread is about tuning a 9 then keep it at that. DOnt wander

 

Warr,

I don't think this was very clearly stated up front as you point out here, but I do remember one tangent of the thread where you admitted that not very many Evo 9s had been tuned by DynoFlash and that you could really only comment on the quantity of satisfied customers with Evo 8s. To me at least, it was clearly pointed out in the original thread that there is a significant difference in tuning 8s vs 9s.

I am sure that as any tuner is able to accumulate a larger body of data, that their base tune that they start with will be closer and closer to ideal, and the custom dyno tune or custom road tune will yield less and less incremental benefit. Part of what I imply from the context of Shiv's statements is that he intends to prove that his method of using a dyno to tune is more accurate and appropriate for this early stage in development of tuning the Evo 9.

What I also hope to learn from what could be a productive discussion between vendors is the different tuning results as far as powerband placement goes between the different tuners if any.

Warr, I also want to let you know that I appreciate your input in these threads as well. Your diplomatic tone and attempts at progressing the discussion productively are appreciated by this reader!

Adam

 

you are 100% correct on that matter maybe it was approaced wrong I was just seriosly intrested in the answer's that where to be given. I really dont care what the people say about each other I will form my own judgement by myself the info was all that really intrested me sorry .

 

This is the key. If the example of this car and its results were stated in a manner that clearly specified that custom road tuning by Al on IXs _MAY_ not be equal to (or even close to) proper dyno tuning on IXs, then that would have been entirely different. What I read, and I'm admittedly biased in relation to Buschur and Dynoflash, was a VERY cleverly-worded potshot at both of the aforementioned vendors. Shiv is far more clever in his prose and more polished in his diction than both Dave and Al. That is not an insult to either of them, but this fact causes "wars of words" to fall into Shiv's favor, and this advantage began with the initial manner in which Shiv posted the results.

What I'm attempting to do is to cut through the bull (on both sides even) and help further the conversation while ALSO ensuring that the conversation is fair to Al (and Buschur to some extent). Since this thread began, Al has been in NJ tuning BR350 cars at 2 separate dealerships (even one at Brad Benson Mitsu), then went straight from NJ to Florida where he spent all day today tuning more cars. He doesn't have the time to keep track of every post here, so I'm doing my best as his ambassador.

 

I don't see this as bashing Buschur products. I did see that he had a problem w/ the downpipe, but I am sure Buschur would of replaced it free of charge. Hopefully, he calls Buschur anways to get his DP replaced.

The real issue comes w/ the way the customer was treated. He felt his tuning experience w/ Al wasn't very good. So customer calls Vishnu for their service. Vishnu tells the customer that he can make same/better power w/ the stock parts. Customer is happy, because he can sell his parts (regardless if they were Buschur, RnR, AMS, JDM, etc.) The customer didn't like the sound of an intake so regardless the stock intake was going back on.

Either way, the customer is happy and Al needs to address his customer service.

 

Ya know, I think this is a great idea, for ALL vendors.

These vendors pay for these forums, and there are still other forums for tech (like the Engine, Turbo, Drivetrain forum). The vendors should be allowed to post what they want in their forum unfettered. If I said something nasty in Al's forum, he should be able to delete it.

It will help stop trolling as well as keep nutswingers from another camp (who only come to bomb threads and get them closed) away.

 

in a perfect world we all exchange information insted of fighting.that way well have the brits and aussies in check

 

Seth,

Your such a mediator. LOL

How is your inner ricer doin?

Dan