Whatever you say dude...I may be late to the game but I guarantee you that I can tune better than you. Just because I am not a vendor here, does not mean I am not a a vendor in SoCal. The demand for my tuning is so high that I am booked all the way to mid March.

I am not one to change cars like I change underwear. I do not like to take a bath on cars that I buy. I will wait until I get a X. I do not rush through life and get the latest toy only to drop that toy for the next toy a year later.

Never again will I get a piggyback. It was a huge waste of money. I do not make the same mistake twice. Those who will buy the Proceed will see history repeating. They will pluck down close to $1000 and then Cobly will come with the FREE ECUflash software and the Proceeed will become worthless like the Xede before it.

 

Your going to have to pluck about $1000 for another piggback (the Proceed). Then, less than a year later ECUflash will come on the market for the X and your $1000 Proceed becomes worth about $150.

 

I disagree...

Currently guys can't even sell their Xede for that much...

I say $75 bucks or a paperweight at the bottom of the ocean...

*I feel an infraction coming on my *** now because you're posting exactly what I did in someone's Xede For Sale thread and got warned for going off topic... *

 

I'm sorry but buying go fast mods for your car will never be a sound investment. That said, the universality of the PROcede will make sure that it retains much of its value in the used market or when one decides to put it in their new car (bmw, skyline, 911tt, etc). Of course, you can wait a year for free relashing and keep yourself happy knowing that those who are enjoying an exta 75hp foolishly spent their money on a depreciating item. What suckers.

Shiv

 

So your saying that a Proceed for the X can be removed from the car and used in a BMW/Skyline/911tt as is. I do not have to send it to you for a software upgrade nor do I have to get another harness?

I have no problem waiting for anything. I do not have to be the first person on the block to own the latest toy. All first year models have bugs in them anyway. This is a totally new Evo and will have bugs that need to be fixed.

 

History has shown us your previous piggy backs become nearly worthless and I'm not sure why this one will be any different when a better piggy back comes out. Why throw away money on a piggy back if you can achieve similar results with a flash for less money? And, you can do so with a vendor that remains committed to the EVO community. Doesn't seem like a SMART decision to me, but to each their own.

 

i bought an xede for my viii and still run it to this day. i have never felt unsupported. if i need something i'd call or email. lack of presence on a web forum doesn't mean lack of support. i got tuned by shiv in the middle of his bug 335 push at a 335 procede tuning event...he didn't blow me off or treat me with any less respect than the 335 owners.

how long was it before ecuflash was available? 2-3 years? i won't be buying an X any time soon if at all, but would feel completely comfortable trusting vishnu to support my choice to go with the procede if i do.

 

First, I'm happy he flashed you but that wasn't my point. Notice in my post I said supports the "EVO COMMUNITY". Second, there will be flash options within the year. I have no idea where you got 2-3 years, but I'll bet it's much closer to 6 months than 2-3 years. Again, if you're happy, that's all that matters. As I posted earlier, to each his own.

 

2-3 years was the time it took for ecu flash to be available. i am comparing this instead of tuner flashes. if you were to compare vendor flash to xede the xede would be the cheaper option, not just today, but from the beginning.

i am glad vishnu move on to support other models...had they not there is a chance that they would not be in business. they are not like other vendors/tuners who get the majority of their income from aftermarket products. look at their site...they have like 5-10 items for each model they support.

you won't get the.."you need to buy x or y to maximize your power" bs as they aren't bias being the vendor of x or y.

 

We saw this as a problem as well, which is one of the reasons we developed our new computer, the PROcede. The biggest problem with XEDEs is their hardware specific applications. Have a WRX XEDE, and want to use it on an EVO? Sorry, it just wont work, due to the analog vs frequency based MAFs. However, with the PROcede, the hardware for the unit is the same for BMWs, Porsches, EVOs, Mazda3s, and whatever else models we develop in the future. Obviously, a new harness would be needed, but the unit itself is the same. Did someone say Skyline GTR? We are devoting about 80% of our business to developing applications, so I don't see a PROcede becoming obsolete anytime soon. Technology only becomes obsolete when it no longer fits in the current market. We recognized that, and found it important to address.

 

I can definitely see both sides of the argument. As a former XEDE user, I'm definitely feeling a bit sore about the whole thing - i.e. +1 to all former XEDE users' comments (fanbois excepted). However, as a business owner, I can partially understand why certain decisions were made. It will be interesting to see how the marketing of the PROcede for the Evo X will go.

l8r)

 

I'll take that bet any day of the week.

Your distrust of piggybacks shows a lack of versatility in tuning. In my experience, you have to be willing and able to approach a task from several angles.


You definitely don't know what you're talking about here, the people/situations involved, or the financial aspects of it. But I'm going to let this go because that post I made to you was definitely overboard and too antagonistic. PS: Thanks for reporting my post, it reminded me that I needed to delete that. It came before I had any knowledge of being asked to be a moderator of the X sections. Please accept my apology for the tone.


And if you had an Evo X, you'd be left with a stock mapped car that runs richer than any other factory forved induction car I've ever seen, leaving heaps of power on the table. When will ECUflash be available for the 4B11? Can you guarantee it will be really soon considering this car has an all new motor, MAF type, and CAN based ECU? I have used ECUflash on Evos/Subarus and really like the product, but don't want to be stuck waiting for an undetermined amount of time- being forced to settle with the 222whp Dyno Dynamics my car made on the dyno 2 weeks ago. The PROcede and its 75whp gain with only ECU mapping is currently the only option to tune the car on Evom right now.

As far as it being worthless, I have to disagree with you again: I sold the PROcede in my 335i for only $100 less than I paid for it, and it was 7 months old. Its a much different and more advanced interception device than the XEDE. That said, I still tune XEDEs to this day with great results. The more precise timing adjustment increments and the RPM variable boost control come in very handy for maximizing power under the curve while retaining a zero knock count.

 

Retain value as in the guy over on e90post.com GIVING his $1200 excede away free to the first taker??????

He was sick of the limp modes, poor service,, lack off,, and over a year sending out units to prepaid customers,, all while being in the Beta stage?



Careful X owners,,, this guy has all but abondoned his 335i tune customers.

would you care for links to page after page of limp modes?

 

You don't read to well do you. The guy wanted it out because he was having a fuel pump issue and didn't want it in when he went to the dealer. Maybe he wants to keep his car stock? who knows. We just know he is a rich baller who gave away a free PROcede because he didn't know how to uninstall it.

Limp modes? Those have long been solved and I really don't know to many people even getting limp anymore. Most of them anyways were caused by user error. Not installing the procede correctly and rushing through the install process.

I've been doing business with Vishnu since I had my Evo 8 back in 2004 and now my BMW 335. I've had nothing but great service and both my piggy's have been 2nd hand units which Vishnu has supported completely. They even replaced a bad creader I got from another member that purchased it from them.

A lot of people on these forums tend to rely on only the negative comments that are posted. They think that since Vishnu doesn't appear on the boards for a few days, that they have abandoned the community.

What about the other thousands of people that have the Vishnu tune and haven't posted a word about how great it is or how well their car is performing or Vishnu's service for that matter?

 

The electronics in either the PROcede or Xede probably cost far less that 100 bucks. But, it’s really all about the horsepower, so I don’t even consider re-sale value. The Xede in my 8 lasted 3 years with no problems whatsoever and it really transformed that car. Vishnu made the investment to buy a X, so I’m hoping the R&D going into the PROcede will give me the same nice bump in smooth torque and horsepower. Waiting…