wow congrats...

 

Please reread the title of this thread, it is about if should use Vinshu products as optional items. What does that have to do with transfer cases? If your going to post, at least attempt to follow the topic. Please point were in my post I stated that I'm only talking about Stage 2 mods? Since Shiv offers Staged packages, I assumed that anyone reading would be bright enough to follow that. Since I live in the People's Republic of Kalifornia and have been drivng for almost 25 years, I am well aware of emissions constraints. Once again, I would assume an intelligent person would know that any package offered via a dealership would, of course, have to conform to emission standards of the State in which the vehicle is being registered in. Thank you for pointing out the obvious and contradicting yourself in the same paragraph. In the future I would suggest that you have a clue what your talking about before posting. Follow this link the learn about the "not making much power over stock"

Dinan

Please define what "not much" means since you've decided to grace us with your "IMHO". My E36 S3 was putting out considerably more than stock, at least on par with Vinshu Stage 1+, and it was covered under warranty. Can you say the same about your car? Sorry if I offend but I'm tired of people talking out of their a$$ without actually knowing anything but trying to sound as if they do.

What other Manufacturer/Tuner relationship would give as an example? Bmw/Dinan is probably the best one out there, what ever BMW voids under warranty due to a Dinan mod, the Dinan portion picks up. And this warranty isn't restricted to enigine related only, suspension, etc are also included. Which is exactly how it should work. There are many companies out there that can write warranty contracts for anything, you would be surprised what these companies will cover. All it would take is for and Shiv to agree on what mods affect what portion of the Warranty and then the Vinshu warranty would be utilized by the dealer. Finding companies to write the warranty policy is not that difficult, getting to sign off and training the dealers to properly install the components is.

 

This is all serious pie in the sky considering mitsubishi's financial situation. It was good business for MMA to give Vishnu an MR for no other reason than Vishnu is in the press 4 times as much as any other tuner, and that's good for mitsubishi. The PR that Mits will get from giving Vishnu a car is worth more than 35,000. This should not be taken as solid indication that there is some sort of Dinan like deal lurking about. the cost benefit to Mitsubishi is not there to form that type of relationship with a tuner. Plus, the guys that are going to mod their cars are going to do it, warranty or not. You are talking about a different type of consumer than the Dinan consumer.


Percy

 

All I'm saying is that for Vishnu to take the liability for warranty work like Dinan they have to be as confident in the core product offered by the manufacture. You being a BMW owner from your statement having first hand experience of the quality of car and drive train offered from BMW. Can you really compare it to the EVO? Also the fact that even stock Evo owners are getting denied warranty work.

Now Vishnu would have to assume that liability as Dinan does. I have owned many bimmers in my time including a turbocharged obd1 95 M3. Witch I would add that I blow the doors of a Super charged Dinan 97 car with the 3.2 before even getting the turbo kit installed.

Bottom line Dinan’s approach would work on only cretin car companies but not

 

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Please define what "not much" means since you've decided to grace us with your "IMHO". My E36 S3 was putting out considerably more than stock, at least on par with Vinshu Stage 1+, and it was covered under warranty. Can you say the same about your car? Sorry if I offend but I'm tired of people talking out of their a$$ without actually knowing anything but trying to sound as if they do.

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by the by I have owned a few bimmers all of them modified.

also Stock MZ3s on dyno jets per 315hp cars (per 2001) make 220whp on dynojets. with Dinan Super charger 298whp for a great price of 10,000 bucks.

Stock Evos make 235-240whp on dynojets

Vishnu Stage 1 plus car make well over 320whp not to mention it's a AWD car.

again IMHO

 

Yeah...they would do it...because even a Vishnu DECAL would automatically void the warranty and then Shiv could pick up the tab for my windshield wiper, paint, and anything else that goes wrong...

 

Astute observation. It would take a tuner with vastly more financial resources than any of the current mitsubishi tuners have to make this scenario work. The Evo is just not, in my opinion, the type of car to make such an arrangement betwee a tuner and the corporation feasible. We all love our cars, but they are not BMW's, and none of the tuners have the cache or even a fraction of the resources that Dinan has, for instance.

Percy

 

Yep that's the BA in me

 

I live with one
Her MBA perspective helps hone in my overly emotional (I'm a therapist) and "feeling" assessments when it comes to my car craze!

Percy

 

But how do you feel about it?

 

Sorry, but I have done a lot of business in the warranty industry, it does not require great financial resources to purchase warranty contracts. I can't estimate what a Evo would cost but other $30k+ vehicles I have been involved with cost $280 for a 36 month warranty, this warranty is basically the same as the standard warranty. I would guess that the cost would be higher since the potential outlay (i.e. risks) are higher but it still do-able. These contracts would be payable in 30 to 60 days from the contract write up, in most cases Vinshu would have already recieved payment form the dealer and since the price of the warranty would be included in the price of the kit, there would be very little out of pocket. If the Evo generates too many claims, then there is a strong possiblity that the warranty company will just stop issuing new contracts.

The financial strength of Vinshu or any other tuner is a non-issue when it comes to offering secondary warranty coverage, it will be agreement and more importantly, the proper training and certificaction of kit installation personel at autherized dealers. A mass of claims made early in the life of the warranty will make those companies rethink selling any more contracts. As I said earlier, these warranty companies will write warranty contracts on anything, it's just a matter of cost.

 

Well then you might want to just contact vishnu and give them a proposal and brocker the deal with a warrenty company so Vishnu can persent it to

Also I don't think Dinan uses a 3rd part warrenty service because only BMW dealerships can warrenty Dinan products. But I'm more then sure Dinan gets the warrenty rate instead of retail price for labor and parts.

Financial strong does not mean financial stuped. Risk VS reward

 

Warranty coverage can certainly be obtained. But I have no doubt that it will be more costly for a than for a Bimmer. There just aren't that many people that are likely to thrash their BMW with a Dinan package than there are Mistubishi owners. BMW club events are harmless on the driveline when compared to the drag strip.

Also, the Evo is closer to the margin with regard to its performance level than any BMW - it's alraedy got the turbo and it's small displacement. Thus modification potential will be limited by emissions. Don't count on a package with cams.

I could envision exhaust w/ freeflow cat, throttle body, engine remapping, a clutch and maybe some bling. If it were to happen, count on warranty exclusion for drag racing to keep those transfer cases inside the car.

 

Doesn't ESX Easy Street have a deal with Subaru that is similar to what many of you are proposing? Call them and find out how`they did it or how they operate.

 

I just think that Subaru is an ESX sponsor....and they have one or some Subaru dealers that sell & install ESX parts.....There is no way in h*ll that those Subaru dealers are going to cover any breakage under warranty with a car that has 300-500hp.

drew