***Official UT Chat Thread***
Some very valid points. Not to beat a dead horse here, but there is a seemingly common transition occuring amongst law enforcement agencies that involves demonstrating a sense higher power in a unnessisary and demeaning manor. Provo city police department was recently under investigation for exercising excessive force. I read an article on it and it was very intresting. IMO it seems that police are falling from the category of "protect and serve" to "demean and harass". [b]Though this may be a nessisarry step in keeping control of skyrocketing crime rates and violence amonst communities, it is a poor situation either way.[b]
Politicians don't help, as the "tough on crime" stance is a sure-fire crowd pleaser. No politician would get very far with a platform of relaxing our laws or diverting funding from police forces to education, for example. This is one of the reasons the United States has the highest documented incarceration rate (includes probation, parole, etc.) in the world.
But when you look at crime statistics, they tend to be relatively unchanged or even declining since the 90s. Property crimes in particular are on the decline here in Utah. I would argue that we don't actually need to keep expanding the power of our police force. It's always better to use the power and funds more wisely, though. Undercover Mustang GT cop cars? Definitely not helping to remind everyone on the road to slow down and drive safe, but it's going to be fun for the police to drive and a definite source of ticket revenue.
In short, I agree that there is a mindset transition among our police force away from "protect and serve" and more toward "us vs. them". It's unfortunate, too, because everything tends to work better when we're all on the same side. But when police are out searching for reasons to write traffic citations, suddenly the general public becomes the "them" in this equation.
Of course, it's not fair to generalize. There are plenty of excellent police offices who go above and beyond the call of duty day in and day out. I'm infinitely grateful to these people. I think the perception problem comes in to play when I do try to follow the letter of the law (exactly 65mph on I-15, 2 seconds at every stop light, etc.) and still get pulled over by the bad-apple cops looking for any reason to search my car or write me a ticket.
Anyway, rant mode off. Sorry for the short novel.
Agreed
[/QUOTE]I think the perception problem comes in to play when I do try to follow the letter of the law (exactly 65mph on I-15, 2 seconds at every stop light, etc.) and still get pulled over by the bad-apple cops looking for any reason to search my car or write me a ticket. [/QUOTE]
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I can do almost anything in my POS truck (speed, use my blinker for 1 click, etc) and I am not looked at twice by any local police officers, but the moment I'm in a high performance vehicle, suddenly I'm being tailed, plates are being processed, and my every move is being observed... I have been pulled over for a "dim" oem licence plate light and then given a demeaning run down on how street racing is illegal and "when you (directed at me) get caught, your vehicle will be impounded". WTF??? So now I am a street racer I guess.. Because I drive an Evo. Anyone else want to be a supposed "street racer"? Haha. If not, too bad. You are already profiled as one.
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I can do almost anything in my POS truck (speed, use my blinker for 1 click, etc) and I am not looked at twice by any local police officers, but the moment I'm in a high performance vehicle, suddenly I'm being tailed, plates are being processed, and my every move is being observed... I have been pulled over for a "dim" oem licence plate light and then given a demeaning run down on how street racing is illegal and "when you (directed at me) get caught, your vehicle will be impounded". WTF??? So now I am a street racer I guess.. Because I drive an Evo. Anyone else want to be a supposed "street racer"? Haha. If not, too bad. You are already profiled as one.
[/QUOTE]I can do almost anything in my POS truck (speed, use my blinker for 1 click, etc) and I am not looked at twice by any local police officers, but the moment I'm in a high performance vehicle, suddenly I'm being tailed, plates are being processed, and my every move is being observed... I have been pulled over for a "dim" oem licence plate light and then given a demeaning run down on how street racing is illegal and "when you (directed at me) get caught, your vehicle will be impounded". WTF??? So now I am a street racer I guess.. Because I drive an Evo. Anyone else want to be a supposed "street racer"? Haha. If not, too bad. You are already profiled as one.[/QUOTE]
Same, I was parked at a local gas station on halloween waiting to pick my brother up and a cop rolled up and said (I had california plates on, bought car on thursday) "I dont know how you do it in california but WHEN I catch you racing im ganna bust your a s s and make sure you never get your car back" mind i hadnt said one word " he continued to quiz me about various laws and such then told me i better get scootin if i dont want a loitering ticket." I hadn't had the car more than four days and im already a red light on the radar without doing anything. I just sold a 07 WRX that was visually more aggressive than my VIII and i never got anything more than a nod from the local PD.
Same, I was parked at a local gas station on halloween waiting to pick my brother up and a cop rolled up and said (I had california plates on, bought car on thursday) "I dont know how you do it in california but WHEN I catch you racing im ganna bust your a s s and make sure you never get your car back" mind i hadnt said one word " he continued to quiz me about various laws and such then told me i better get scootin if i dont want a loitering ticket." I hadn't had the car more than four days and im already a red light on the radar without doing anything. I just sold a 07 WRX that was visually more aggressive than my VIII and i never got anything more than a nod from the local PD.
You guys must be ricers. I have never been treated like that in all my 25-26(?) career pull overs 
Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word

Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word
[quote=b16a2delsol;9716749]You guys must be ricers. I have never been treated like that in all my 25-26(?) career pull overs 
Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word
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hey are you still using a maf? or did you go sd??
also what are your injector settings if ya dont mind i have the same ones

Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word
[hey are you still using a maf? or did you go sd??
also what are your injector settings if ya dont mind i have the same ones
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Still on maf. I will send you the scaling tonight. They start like stock but I have them running a bit lean for fuel conservation
You guys must be ricers. I have never been treated like that in all my 25-26(?) career pull overs 
Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word
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hey are you still using a maf? or did you go sd??
also what are your injector settings if ya dont mind i have the same ones

Lol I even had my del sol idling with an open down-pipe while being stopped one time, didn't say a word
[hey are you still using a maf? or did you go sd??
also what are your injector settings if ya dont mind i have the same ones
Not to say I don't see the purpose behind them and it would be great to have one for a lot of reasons. But I certainly don't think they are awesome.
They are big, they are comfy, they are quiet. They go everywhere and hold a ton of ****. / lol
Its not about how they corner, its how well they take the bumps and keep my *** warm with their heated seats.
All the tq in the world and feeling like you're sitting on top of it.
Its magic!
Its not about how they corner, its how well they take the bumps and keep my *** warm with their heated seats.
All the tq in the world and feeling like you're sitting on top of it.
Its magic!






