Exactly. Thanks for having the nuts to go direct with it seems people were beating around the bush out of respect for Works but in reality the hose change is just an MBC- Wait whats controlling the boost now I know we arent paying a $300 premium for a hose and mapped for higher boost reflash- Even so WTH constitutes the $300 jump in price?????

 

This is a huge conundrum for me. I love what the WORKS flash seems to do, but on the other hand if I ever sell my car, I can remove the XEDE and sell it in a heartbeat for good money. You can't do that with a reflash.

 

??? Why not just mix race gas in the proper proportions?

 

Well take into account well thought out and mapped ECU with rev limite raised, governor, and A/F timing trweaked to what a FQ300 would be. I use the P1 and I track alot I was just there yesterday lapping for 3hrs and the car is simply amazing with minor mods a turboback and HKS race suction intake. The car is $30K think quality not best bang for the buck that will cost you more later.

 

Ok BLKEVO8, then please explain why the cost of the P1 was bumped from $450 to $500? I do not see a change in the product. I do like what Works does, but there is some price gouging going on and if they are not carefull someone will step in and offer a product just as good at a lower price. I quess they might as well get away with it while they can.

 

Oh really did you get a printout of your AFRs from works? Hmm seems to me I know a few hotlappers with vishnu products that seem to have awesome running cars they dont even stall in hot traffic. What is your opinion of the hose MBC tweek and what extra costs are associated with just tuning boost over the fuel and timing? so are we just to believe that a custom hose/mbc assembly and accounting for boost costs $300? Thats not quality that bending over and touching your toes

 

It is closely priced to the Xede. But the Xede is a part that can be resold, easily taken off, and even upgradeable by the user without sending it in for a "reflash" when you upgrade parts. My only concern with the Xede is it's ability to run correctly with an aftermarket intake setup (filter and maf to turbo tube). Shiv doesn't recommend using anything but the stock airbox because his tuning is done through the maf..and aftermarket filter setups disturb the signals making the Xede harder to tune correctly (that's how I understood it anyway).
A good thing about the Xede and the reflash is that no mbc/ebc is needed to increase boost.....an mbc/ebc is not allowed in some SCCA classes.

 

You are correct about shivs maf disturbance recomendation- but if the boost is increases at ALL then that should reported to the tech as your class will prolly be changed. You naughty boy and your unfair advantages

 

I can not speak for them, but I would not be crazy about this either I got it when it was $450 fair price. So I will let Works answer this one.

 

I dont believe for a second that just the hose is doing all the boost otherwise that would have wide spread a long time ago. The ECU is obviously remapped for boost and as John said the hose allows for the tweak to play out properly. I think if it was just the hose then they would just sell that and make a killing. Last I checked Vishnu's Stage SubZero………..........$895 and it does not tweak some of things that Works does. Hey you don't have to buy one it its a free country.

 

Oh I perfectly understand I dont have to buy one but what if I want to understand a product before I but? We are just asking questions here and so far I cant for the life of me imagine why a piece of hose and accounting for boost in a map costs $300. As far as the stage 0 yup you get a tangible sellable product, plug and play harness, computer interface, and tuner software for $895- looking better and better- If someone from works can explain to me the MASSIVE pricehike then Im all ears

 

Most likely it's to cover development costs. In this case it's not materials but time, which can be very expensive when you're dealing with engineers. This also has to be balanced with the perceived market for the product. It would most likely cost a whole lot more if there were only 10 Evos ever built.

Just my $0.02.

 

Well, at that price I don't think I will buy. I'll be looking for something else. I didn't get the p1 because I knew the p2 was coming soon so I waited to do it all at once but with that price, it's quite more than I expected. I was thinking about 550-600 but over 700, I don't think so.

 

Shh..don't tell I'm not going to change peak boost...I'm just going to hold peak boost to redline...that's not really increasing boost is it? You have to take full advantage of things that aren't written into the rules.
One other thing I don't like about the reflash is they only recommend it for use with their parts (and ALL their parts are pricey..and limited to an axle back and t-body). The Xede is widely used and tuned with other mods. I'm still waiting to buy...I want something with an integrated boost feature to eliminate an mbc/ebc...and have good tuning potentional at a decent price. I would have the Xede right now if the whole intake/maf disturbance thing wasn't an issue.

 

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