Wow. this is really going to hurt works. They better start to reply or the bashing will get worse.

 

All I know is that I was so ready to buy this on monday, but now I will be looking at my other options, if they bring the price down I will be first in line again.

 

Works can't reply quite yet. David is still on vacation. Once he returns in couple of days or so, they should be responding to all of us. I've talked to people at works and they are great guys. I'm pretty sure they will try their best to work something out but just remember the cost of living in San Francisco is crazy and Works is located here.
Still, I agree with most of you. The price is bit too high and either Works should lower the price or give more such as brain flash upgrade for life, get the axel back or the throttle body for $100 with P2 now or later. I think getting more sounds really good for the price. Plus, this will build loyal customers who know they will be hooked up with new products in the future (that is loyalty discounts).

 

To be fair and balanced you can't quote those dyno numbers as you know Mustang and Dynojet put down different numbers. The thing to do is get a stock evo on the one dyno and go through the test otherwise your just being a smear merchant for Vishnu, what is he hooking you with a 10% discount for coming on with these rediculous factoids.

 

I have to chime in here and say that for the money yes the Vishnu setup is the way to go for hp gains, but for those of you who paid that extra bit of money for the extended warranty WORKS may be the way to go. There is no piggy back system in the car that the dealership can see, no splicing into wires like the XEDE unit, the exhale is a lot easier to swap back to stock than a whole cat back unit etc. For those who paid extra for the service plan like probably several people here have, when they bring the car to the dealer every 3000 miles for an oil change and other service, customers don't want the dealer to have a chance to void their warranty. So it is worth it to pay the extra money for the WORKS product even if the car puts down less hp then a Vishnu system. 250hp on the dyno for all wheel drive is 340hp at the flywheel. 750 dollars for that sounds like a mighty good deal to me.

 

Whatttt?? The XEDE requires no splicing a catback is cake- I think swapping the throttle body would be a lot more difficult

 

Hmmmm ok... I was under the impression the XEDE was a piggy back unit that required splicing, as there is some wires that need to be pulled out of the factory harness and placed into the XEDE unit. Click HERE to see just how much work goes into installing the XEDE unit. People just want to plug and play to go fast with as little wire removing or tuning. So the time it takes to pull wires and remove restrictor pills in the boost lines for the XEDE, the people who want a more simple plug and play unit and are willing to sacrifice around 30hp on their car will opt for the WORKS unit.

So yes there is some hampering with wire harnesses by pulling the wires out, but not necessary splicing anything. This creates a good thing because it gives buyers two options depending on the type of setup they want. Both companies make out and the customer is satisfied. Also good direct competition like this helps keep the prices down on this type of upgrade. Thanks Vishnu and WORKS


With the hook gently pulled away, you will be able to easily extract the light green wire from the other side.



Now insert the appropriate blue wire from the plug-in XEDE harness into the slot where the light green boost control wire used to go.

 

Xede is available with off the shelf tuned maps just like the reflash. Same with the reflash tuning will be more optimized for that particular car but we are comparing like systems here

 

thats just too much money, i will go with xede

 

My 2 cents and some questions.
1)I value the ease of a simple reflash because it is very easy and there are no AWD dynos near me.
2)I am not a tuner so the reflash seems much safer to me.
3)With a reflash I don't have to pay for dyno time.

Questions...
1)Can you get 30 more hp from the Exede than a Works reflash?
2)Is it safe to have 30 more hp?
3)How much power are the off the shelf Exede maps?
4)Does the Exede system hang out your glove box or what?
5)If I don't live near a tuner wouldn't I be better off with a reflash?

I know some of these questions may seem stupid to the experts but I don't fully understand the Exede system.
Thanks for any help.

 

 

Hope that helped.

 

I agree mostly but both systems are powerful enough that they should produce very similar power #s if both are custom tuned.

Also it is totally false that you need custom tuning or ever need to touch the XEDE again with the off the shelf maps so it doesnt matter if you have a tuner around or not.

Also in the recent dynoflash thread the AFRs were posted of the Works reflash they were significantly leaner than what shiv or dynoflash use ~11.6 AFR Actually its not bad but there goes that arguement of the WORKS is safer. We know how they are making their power and that is by leaning out more than others are willing to/ or need to.

 

The new WORKS P2 is programed with ~10.75 AFR.

 

Please dont think I am a works hater I not they did well filling the initial market need of providing high quality flashes and products early in the EVO days, but dynoflas has flipped the pancake and now there is no doubt that works is a non player in the reflash and ECM segment:

Dynoflash quote:

There is nothing to "learn" from the other "guys" - the boost map in the ecu is so simple even a two year old could do it - all we do is set a mili second delay to 10 mins and then the car will hold the peak boost to red line for an up to 10 min pull - which I think is prob long enough for most of us !
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This is after dynoflash posted back to back dyno charts making more power than Works with significantly richer AFRs for the price of a p1 They also state to use the EXACT same reflash software as works- If the code is so simple to account for whats that extra $300 for again?