I don't think anyone is shooting it down. I think what most people are trying to say is to maximize the benefit of any piggyback ecu, as well as ensure you're running a safe tune you are definately going to want to get a dyno/tune at a shop. If there is anything I think that can be criticized about the piggyback in question, it's that the piggy is being sold with the assurance that no tuning is necessary, which is turning out to not always be the case.

 

the piggy is good insofar the tunning made is good and reliable.. the problem with those 2 piggys and some i have seen properly installed (more than 4)(and the one i bought -used- 1 year and a half ago, wich i trashed) is that the program is unreliable and bad..

i dont want to get on a big rant here but who ever sold the idea that a piggy is not to be tunned should be shot (figurative speaking), piggys and all things you put into the performance have to be altered/'customized for the best results posible, so nobody dare tell me the piggy is good because it just 'feels' good.. if you say so you should be shot twice too. gains are not measurable by the extend of how much your a.ss dives into the seat.. fact if your afr is at 19 you are prone to craking the pistons no matter if they are forged (if they are not craked already) on a n/a 13.9 on afr is as far as you should go and 12.5 as good as you can get...


i have spoken

 

all hail PR_Mivec

 

all hail PR_Mivec

 

, damn

 

I couldn't agree more. One question what is unreliable about the program? I've noticed quite a few places carrying the splitsec stuff. What air/fuel controllers are there that work with the RA?

I have listened

 

program as in the map a map wich gives a 19 afr is a useless unreliable map

 

When you said program I thought of the R4 software. Yes a map with 19 AFR is not good.......not even slightly

 

eh sorry is that we call program to the map... wonders of language

 

The Piggy is a great mod, as a matter of fact it has been working for me with relliable day to day tune and my car is turbo. What we are saying is that for unknown reason "Some" of their latest piggys are given a Map that its not suited for our cars. Their first's batch had correct map as I have a stock RRM map at home and it is very conservative, But I saw another piggy that came with a map with values as low as "7" in terms of % like -17 on a Apex S-Afc. I recomend to anyone that buys the piggy invest $ in the in the USB-DB9 serial adapter and check what map was installed if you have a value less than "9" in any given cell its probably to lean. Remember this device is a tuning tool like the "emanage", "s-afc",etc..Don't expect to perform % right out of the box, and we have to account for modds made to the car. Probably the lean map was designed for a stock engine, the injen intake for an example gets power by 2 ways: 1. opens up restriccions of flow, 2. And more significant changes the diameter of the MAF housing in order to get a leaner mixture, advance timming a little and produce power, if we add to these already more lean car the piggy it will leaned it more. Thats why for optimum performance you need to learn to tune it. if you have any question in regard how it works let me know.

 

Unfortunately, its RRM that is telling the people who buy this device that "no tuning is necessary, and that the tunes are 100% safe..." etc.

 

^unfirtunatley. i guess ill be getting a serial adapter. more money to spend. i need to learn how to tune :crap Im kinda suprised Rock hasnt had ne thing to say about this. Im sure hed be a big help.

 

Don't forget a device to get the AFR It all adds up,I ended up buying a refurbished laptop Still need the AFR equipment.

 

well he explained to me what had to be done and he also explained the kind of connection (serial) that was needed. So i see no reason for him to post here seeing as how he has helped me a lot on the phone.

 

no im just sayin that people are having doubts and worries now, im supprised he hasnt said ne thing to ease peoples minds. im sure he did help u hes a great guy. the cord is actually pretty cheap, if im looking at the right 1. but the afr is where the money comes in