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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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ok just for clarification...
are you trying to tell me that the reason why i am messing up the valve timing...
is because i am using the keyhole behind the UDP (from RRM) as a timing mark,
and aligning that with the "T" on the block.

when in actuality, i should be lining the keyhole behind the RRM pulley at 3 o'clock on the rotation of the pulley.


thus, this makes my valves open at the wrong times?

someone please clarify,
i still hear that movie projector sound still, not as loud, 1/4 as loud...
but its still there.

PLEASE let me know... 4 times trying to do this is far too much... i just wanna get this done....
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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also ... is there any tool that will make rotating the intake jam nuts,
while still holding the screw in place...
that is the worst part about this job...
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Joho22
...what attatched picture?
Fixed.

Originally Posted by Joho22
ok just for clarification...
are you trying to tell me that the reason why i am messing up the valve timing...
is because i am using the keyhole behind the UDP (from RRM) as a timing mark,
and aligning that with the "T" on the block.

when in actuality, i should be lining the keyhole behind the RRM pulley at 3 o'clock on the rotation of the pulley.


thus, this makes my valves open at the wrong times?

someone please clarify,
i still hear that movie projector sound still, not as loud, 1/4 as loud...
but its still there.

PLEASE let me know... 4 times trying to do this is far too much... i just wanna get this done....
There's a very easy way to verify that you're at TDC, as noted in Mysz's write-up. You'll be able to wiggle all 4 rockers on either cylinder 1 or 4, depending on which of the two is at TDC. I'm thinking you're just getting way too confused at this point, but not sure why. Just put the stock pulley on and use those timing marks so it's really obvious that you're in the right spot, then wiggle the rockers to verify that you're at the right spot.

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also ... is there any tool that will make rotating the intake jam nuts,
while still holding the screw in place...
that is the worst part about this job...
http://www.amazon.com/Alltrade-64882...0913804&sr=8-6
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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The keyhole is NOT the timing mark. I've circled the keyhole in the attached picture. If you put that keyhole at 3 o'clock, then the timing mark would be lined up at TDC, which is around 2 o'clock-ish. The keyhole and timing mark are not at the same place on the pulley. Look at your stock pulley and where the keyhole is compared to the timing notches on the edge of the pulley, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
so that hole needs to be at 3 o'clock?
im still confused...
i thought you were talking about hte one behind the pulley...
its a little circle indent...
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. It would make no sense whatsoever to put a timing mark on the back of a pulley where you can't see it. Again, pull out your stock pulley and look at the timing marks on it.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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thats easy enough... ill do that... just need to find it/
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
I'm not sure what you're talking about. It would make no sense whatsoever to put a timing mark on the back of a pulley where you can't see it. Again, pull out your stock pulley and look at the timing marks on it.
and i wasnt talking about puting a mark on the back of the pulley,
behind the pulley, there is another ... something with a mark on it.
its a circle indent, and i only found out about it because of RRM,
i called them and asked them what they think i should do cause the kid i got the car from didnt mark it.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
The keyhole is NOT the timing mark. I've circled the keyhole in the attached picture. If you put that keyhole at 3 o'clock, then the timing mark would be lined up at TDC, which is around 2 o'clock-ish. The keyhole and timing mark are not at the same place on the pulley. Look at your stock pulley and where the keyhole is compared to the timing notches on the edge of the pulley, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
im looking at that picture...

the T is more to the top right...
and when i look at the oem pulley
if i put that keyhole at 3 o'clock...
the marking will be at about 4 or 5. (when the T is between 2-3)
i must be missing something here...


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which should be lined up with the T,
the hole, or the writing (1 being the hole, and 2 being the writing [obv])
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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On the stock pulley, the timing mark is the v that's cut into the lip of the pulley, which is neither of the spots you circled. It's where the green circle and line meet. The UDP won't have this mark unless RRM changed the pulley from Joe's original design.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
On the stock pulley, the timing mark is the v that's cut into the lip of the pulley, which is neither of the spots you circled. It's where the green circle and line meet. The UDP won't have this mark unless RRM changed the pulley from Joe's original design.
oh no,
ok, i must be explaing poorly,
if you take the plastic wheel well cover off, and take a flashlight,
and look behind the pulley, there is a circular mark like the #2 i have circled,
i thought that was my mark,
this explains quite a bit.
I am probably WAY off....
otter,
you have saved my car once again...
if this works and i get my car back to 100%,
i am sending you a 12 pack.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Joho22
otter,
you have saved my car once again...
if this works and i get my car back to 100%,
i am sending you a 12 pack.
otter, you better share.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Myszkewicz
otter, you better share.
ok ok, mys helped too,
how about i make a donation to the site?

man, how detimental is it to even drive my car with the timing this off?
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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It's not your timing that's off, your valve clearances are just larger than they should be. The thing with the timing mark is that the clearance has to be set with the mark lined up. Your timing doesn't change at all.

You're probably only a little off, but it sounds bad when they clatter like that. Probably won't hurt it in the short-term, just get it set right as soon as you can.

Speaking of which, I have to check and set the valve clearances on my motorcycle and VW Bus soon, too. Maybe I'll wait until I hit 90,000 on my car, and do all three at once.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Myszkewicz
It's not your timing that's off, your valve clearances are just larger than they should be. The thing with the timing mark is that the clearance has to be set with the mark lined up. Your timing doesn't change at all.

You're probably only a little off, but it sounds bad when they clatter like that. Probably won't hurt it in the short-term, just get it set right as soon as you can.

Speaking of which, I have to check and set the valve clearances on my motorcycle and VW Bus soon, too. Maybe I'll wait until I hit 90,000 on my car, and do all three at once.
show off, eat poo...


and that makes me feel better,
i only drive about 20 mins to work...
but i wont be doing the other centers data tomorrow... phew.
Ill take that drive back home and as soon as i get home, i will get it done.
and then make that donation...
the site does take donations right?

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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Myszkewicz
It's not your timing that's off, your valve clearances are just larger than they should be. The thing with the timing mark is that the clearance has to be set with the mark lined up. Your timing doesn't change at all.
My concern was that he might not have completely been at TDC, which might cause him to set his lash too big, which would explain all the clicking noise he's been getting. I'm happy to share beer, though. Call me next time you're out here.
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