True but I'm simply pointing out that even the almighty Evo has problems. Are they the same as the WRX at the moment? No, Subaru has an issue that they need to address but it's still not relevant to this thread. What the hell are people going to ***** about when the WRX isn't blowing motors?

 

"whenever someone so much as says the word WRX, people come running to say "oh my god, the motors explode" despite the fact that its irrelevant."

How can be when the wrx is mentioned as an option. It is a 08-09 wrx known problem. 08 even got a stop sale, and recall world notice wide.

So how can be irrelevant when some one want to choose between the RA and the WRX?

edited , i wrote stupid things here

Rob

 

No, one case is not an Evo problem. It is a one car problem. Usually called it a human factor. In the process when they build the car, some one made a mistake .

 

Why are u even bringing the TC-SST into this? The reason why it would blow is because someone WILL have the ***** to test its limits. Everyone is jus standing back and waitin for that special person who is up for it. Unfortunately there isnt anyone yet. And yes it probably would get dismissed, not because its a Mitsu but because we would know how far it can be pushed. But u and the other X flamers (IX fanboys, sorry had to say it) out there who absolutely find every little excuse to bash the TC-SST would laugh it up.

 

actually so far i'm not a SST fan also. Even in stock level over heats very very easy.

And limits the car from being a tuner car. But this is subjective ,so if you want you can skip that.

 

Anything that breaks in a brand new car is un-acceptable no matter the price.
You can have a Kia or a Bugatti and if the engine fails, your going through the exact feelings. If a gas pedal breaks, you do the exact same as if it were the engine.
You feel the same crap just exp. it differently.
But to compare the 2 head on is different.
apples and oranges, as it was said.
the cost alone is the most obvious factor.
Both dealers have to cover under warranty unless proven or a lawsuit takes shape.

But I have a question, did any of the 08 WRXs have this issue? Or was it the 09s, soley?

 

"FROM: Subaru of America, Inc.
DEPARTMENT: Service Department
DATE: 04/04/2008

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APRIL 4, 2008
IMMEDIATE STOP SALE ORDER
ALL SUBARU DEALERS

We regret to inform you that we must place an immediate stop sale order on all of the 2008/2009 Subaru Impreza and Forester vehicles equipped with a 2.5L Turbo Engine produced with the beginning chassis number and later as shown below.
Model Starting Chassis Number Production Date

Forester 701045 2008/01/08
Impreza 523363 (SEDAN)/825183 (HATCH)2008/01/08


The reason for this immediate Quality Assurance action is that there have been several reports of “Engine Knocking Noise” from other markets on vehicles produced after the production dates listed.

Initial investigation confirms an internal wear issue on the failed units.

In the interest of preventing any possibility of failures for our customers, we have chosen to isolate any potentially affected vehicles by ceasing sales of the potentially affected units until the root cause and correction can be identified.

All the other displacement engines and the 2.5L Natural Aspirated Engine are excluded from this action.

Your region/distributor will be contacting you with a detailed list of affected vehicles assigned to your dealership. However, dealer trades cannot be tracked so please be aware of the affected VIN range.

If you have a vehicle in inventory that falls into the affected vehicle range, please ensure that your sales and service staff are immediately notified that the unit is un-saleable until further notice from SOA or your region/distributor.

If any of those vehicles has an unusual engine noise, please notify the SOA Technical Helpline immediately with all of the details and submit an E-QMR.

Should a customer bring an affected vehicle into your service department for an unusual engine noise, please immediately arrange that they are given the use of a clean SSLP vehicle and notify the Technical Helpline and submit an E-QMR.

You will be contacted shortly thereafter on how to proceed.

We are still investigating whether any of the SIA produced Legacy Outback turbo vehicles are affected. If any action is needed on the SIA vehicles, you will be notified early next week."

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575000000433F

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/16/s...ustion-issues/

etc. in 08

 

Sigh. There's a difference between an anoying thing like a broken pedal or oil leak and a major thing like engine failure. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look trying to compare major engine failures to two broken gas pedals, oil leaks, or rock chips? BTW: do you want me to post the Subaru 08+ rock chip registry?

Here's the incredible paint off a black 08 WRX and yes that's bare metal and rust;

 

well.
that about sums it up.

 

the WRX have the same oil leak problem and feeding the turbo oil line too. . /See above my posted links/
Rock chips are better then your own door caused chips, as far as i can see.
Some wrx guy actually washed his own paint off form his bumper,in the car wash... How that sounds?
I can go on too

the Major problem is i see in these cases a following.

The Mitsubishi is highly under rated in the sates and the Subaru is the opposite.
The Mitsubishi experience and as a vehicle manufacturer is way beyond the Subaru boundaries.
I dont want to go into she said he said argue, but think about this.

Subaru make passenger cars. They got some decent history in racing too. Which is why i admire them.

In the other hands, the Mitsubishi, build passenger cars, suv, trucks, buses, tanks, airplanes etc.
Also they have exceed the racing history by 1000 times compere to subaru.
Thinking about only Paris Dakar.

Why happened this? I dont know. I think mainly because the marketing differences between a two company. Like Subaru have a factory backed up racing teams in the US like Ken Block team, the Mitsu just starting.../if/

And the fact the Mitsubishi came much later in the market in us then subaru.
Also wasn't Subaru in pearl harbor..

 

It's not like Subaru hasn't had time to resolve the problem and yet it still continues. I would be curious to see what is really going on behind close doors as bearing failure isn't rocket science. Is their bearing supplier letting them down? Cranks with poor tolerances? Cost cutting manufacturing processes? Something stinks but I doubt we will ever know.

 

Mitsubishi is underrated in the US for sure. They didn't sart selling cars in Canada until 2003/2004 and already they sell the same amount of vehicles as Subaru who has been in Canada for decades. You get good value, lots of options, and decent reliability which is why frugal Canadians have taken to them. People forget that Mitsubishi Motors is the fourth largest Japanese car maker worldwide ahead of even Mazda so people do buy their products. My wife's 07 Outlander was a 100% new product and it's been rock solid as was her 2004 Lancer Ralliart with not a single issue between the both of them.

 

How am I an X basher when I really like the GSR?

 

It's irrelevant because the whole thing started because all I did was suggest someone look at the WRX along with a handful of other cars. But of course, since I said the W word, some people have to come out of the wood work to derail the thread and tell people never to look at the WRX.

 

I dont remember you actually bashed the X GSR.
I give you that.