dang i was just saying what my car does.. 323 is not a performance car at all.. its a great DD fullstop..lol good handling, smooth and stable at 100+mph great build quality.. but the ralli art is more fun and "cool"

what question I haven't seen come up and one i'm curious about is the paint of each of the cars? Is Subaru's paint as crappy as Mitsu's?

Yes.

Sooooooo tru. I think there was one last month even.

I think there should be a sticky of all the RA vs WRX threads merge so if there are any future debates we can send that person there.

So the entire sticky can be dug up again and again and again? No thanks, people have a hard enough time reading a thread that is 2 pages long let alone one that is 10+ pages long. We'd get the same "Edmunds put new tires on the Ralliart and it kicked the WRX's ***" remarks over and over again.

yeah YOU should really start looking around.... And start recognizing the mitsubsihi's....
Aslo Subaru warrantry not so great either specially after modding the car.
never had a warranty issue with my Mitsubishi. I just came back from a dealer with my Montero. One of my buddy, somehow ruined my rear seat folder mechanism. They fixed it , didnt cost me anything. The Montero has 56k + miles...
Besides that is my first warranty work on my Montero, never took it to the dealer, only for required service.
My evo's never been stock more then 24 hour, so they never actually saw dealer anymore. But even with them i had no issues. And they got the hard life believe me.


Besides what is have to do with the new RA and the WRX?

Both is a brand new body and so the RA even has a brand new tranny engine etc...the WRX have very much old engine in it and so on...

The RA 5 door just as 5 door as a WRX... OR if you like sedan both company have them.

Performance wise out of box the WRX is better.
The RA looks much nicer i think.

Performance you can change easy, the look....

Yea but these threads pop up all the time. They might as well have some type of reference so we don't have to waste our time arguing over the same **** again and again.

Did you guys see this one before?
Allister MCrae drives the Evo X SST in fully automatic mode.

I think you guys will like it. The SST if you leave the car near stock its a great tranny. /With a necessary mods, like better cooler/
So even if its not quiet MR tranny is still you can shine with it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1_b6AKAMpA

Cool video

The SST is really a great transmission but the problem is ppl are so close minded that if the car doesn't have a 3rd pedal then it isn't worth ****. I know it isn't for everyone but for those who have never even tried it really have no say in the matter. This tranny has swayed quite a few ppl who have driven nothing but manuals and that says a lot.

The TC-SST is a nice transmission but it seems like it's quickly becoming the fallback position in any of these comparison threads. It doesn't seem to matter what the comparison is, if all else fails, people just cite the TC-SST as if it's the only transmission out there and the only thing people consider when buying a car. I've been for a ride around a track in an MR and the transmission was impressive, no doubt, but I was glad when I got back in my own, slower car because it felt like I was driving it, not the other way around. I find it sad that the only point people can seem to make is the transmission, there's more to the Ralliart than the TC-SST. Seriously, this is how it seems to me:

"Well the Ralliart is kind of expensive compared to the competition"
"But it has the TC-SST"
"It's also slower than some of the competition"
"But it has the TC-SST"
"And the handling isn't that great"
"But it has the TC-SST"
"And"
"TC-SST"
"But"
"T"
"But"
"C"
"But"
"TC-SST"

not to up on details of both cars are you? A true case of talking without knowing facts first.

and for your info, maybe you've had good warranty experience, but A TON of guys on here have had their's voided for very simple mods and sometimes for even less things than that.

Word.
I have driven an X MR and yes it shifts quickly and what not.
I still truly believe it takes alot of the fun out of owning an Evo. IMO.
It is def. a great transmission but not something that would sway me into buying a car with one equipped.
Maybe im old fashioned (im only 21) but imo a sports car should have a convention 5 or 6 speed manual transmission.


Either way, OP just follow thru with your plans to drive the RA and make your choice.

Like i said it's not for everyone including yourself but atleast you had some experience with it unlike others who bash it. I agree that they do mention the tranny a lot but its one of the main selling points of the car besides the AWD and turbo, i wouldn't say that its the only thing the really talk about. Reviewers also get into the features of the car like navi, bluetooth, etc. quite a bit. When it comes to this type of car they will point out the performance goods more than the other things, the TC-SST in this case. If they we're talkin about a Nissan Cube, (UGLY ****), they might not talk about its perfomance much as they would it's versitility/customization because that is one of it's main selling points.

That last bit makes me laugh though. It reminded me of the PS3 commercial.

Yeah, like not checking your oil within the first 3000 miles of the car. Owner neglect... Warranty for new motor DENIED.

But don't forget there's the flip side of a ton of guys getting stuff covered, even on modded cars.

All car companies are bad at warranty coverage though... I can say I've personally had better luck with Subaru than Mitsubishi, service, sales, and warranty.

"The 2.5-liter four and all-wheel driveline are the only mechanical carryover pieces, and in the WRX, the 224-horsepower intercooled turbo engine's torque peaks at 2800 rpm, down from 3600 rpm, for better performance."

Unless they changed the engine and the drive line from 2008, i might be right here.. dont you think?

You might rethink your own statement :
"A true case of talking without knowing facts first."

At a same time i hope i dont have to point out the engine and drive train difference between the old body style and the new one in the RA forum about the RA. vs the WRX.
I dont think the WRX did a same upgrades and so in Engine wise drive line wise as the RA. That was my point. Sure the WRX engine is "updated" as they should with every new model. But upgrades are not a same, as the new engine, and so on.
There for the RA engine is in my opinion much better what the WRX have.


thanks for listening.

Rob


link :
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...wrx/index.html