Considering a 2010 Ralliart or 2010 WRX
Sometimes I wonder if readers think of starting a thread like this just for the mere joy of seeing people arguing... Seriously, wtf?
If you want to buy a car and you don't know which one to choose, it's because you haven't even test drove one yet... Do you think any of us here is going to make up your mind? It all ends up in a This VS That fight, specially this one which has been brought up countless times.
Mate, get off your desk and go test drive both cars; If I was to answer your question in order to contribute to the thread, I'd tell you to buy a 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart... why? cause that's what I drive!
You see, everyone is somewhat biased
If you want to buy a car and you don't know which one to choose, it's because you haven't even test drove one yet... Do you think any of us here is going to make up your mind? It all ends up in a This VS That fight, specially this one which has been brought up countless times.
Mate, get off your desk and go test drive both cars; If I was to answer your question in order to contribute to the thread, I'd tell you to buy a 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart... why? cause that's what I drive!
You see, everyone is somewhat biased
"The 2.5-liter four and all-wheel driveline are the only mechanical carryover pieces, and in the WRX, the 224-horsepower intercooled turbo engine's torque peaks at 2800 rpm, down from 3600 rpm, for better performance."
Unless they changed the engine and the drive line from 2008, i might be right here.. dont you think?
You might rethink your own statement :
"A true case of talking without knowing facts first."
At a same time i hope i dont have to point out the engine and drive train difference between the old body style and the new one in the RA forum about the RA. vs the WRX.
I dont think the WRX did a same upgrades and so in Engine wise drive line wise as the RA. That was my point. Sure the WRX engine is "updated" as they should with every new model. But upgrades are not a same, as the new engine, and so on.
There for the RA engine is in my opinion much better what the WRX have.
thanks for listening.
Rob
link :
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...wrx/index.html
Unless they changed the engine and the drive line from 2008, i might be right here.. dont you think?
You might rethink your own statement :
"A true case of talking without knowing facts first."
At a same time i hope i dont have to point out the engine and drive train difference between the old body style and the new one in the RA forum about the RA. vs the WRX.
I dont think the WRX did a same upgrades and so in Engine wise drive line wise as the RA. That was my point. Sure the WRX engine is "updated" as they should with every new model. But upgrades are not a same, as the new engine, and so on.
There for the RA engine is in my opinion much better what the WRX have.
thanks for listening.
Rob
link :
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...wrx/index.html
As far as the transmission is concerned, this has changed over the years as well.
What you've essentially done is the equivalent of me saying that the engine in the Evo IX is the same as the engine in the Evo I because they're both 4G63. By your logic, the STI motor was superior since it was a brand new motor, not some "updated" unit from the late 80s, early 90s.
Like i said it's not for everyone including yourself but atleast you had some experience with it unlike others who bash it. I agree that they do mention the tranny a lot but its one of the main selling points of the car besides the AWD and turbo, i wouldn't say that its the only thing the really talk about. Reviewers also get into the features of the car like navi, bluetooth, etc. quite a bit. When it comes to this type of car they will point out the performance goods more than the other things, the TC-SST in this case. If they we're talkin about a Nissan Cube, (UGLY ****), they might not talk about its perfomance much as they would it's versitility/customization because that is one of it's main selling points.
That last bit makes me laugh though. It reminded me of the PS3 commercial.
That last bit makes me laugh though. It reminded me of the PS3 commercial.
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LOL it's obvious a lot of people here are fanboys (even if they deny it). Just give it up already and let the OP test drive both cars... we already know the pros/cons of each and the topic has been discussed/debated/beaten on over and over again. Both cars are roughly at the same level and priced fairly (MSRP) against each other.
The best way to go in my opinion is:
1.) test drive both
2.) pictures don't do justice, so at this point you should have figured out which styling you really like better... if you think both look fine to you... then go to step 3
3.) if you like the SST, get the RA... if you like the stick, get the WRX
4.) if you are undecided what you really want (SST vs. stick), then find the best deal you can get. Haggle your way for the best price (inc. financing + tradein value) and have both dealers compete for your business. Don't get suckered in by salesman tactics, be smart.
The best way to go in my opinion is:
1.) test drive both
2.) pictures don't do justice, so at this point you should have figured out which styling you really like better... if you think both look fine to you... then go to step 3
3.) if you like the SST, get the RA... if you like the stick, get the WRX
4.) if you are undecided what you really want (SST vs. stick), then find the best deal you can get. Haggle your way for the best price (inc. financing + tradein value) and have both dealers compete for your business. Don't get suckered in by salesman tactics, be smart.
Last edited by tipoytm; Dec 17, 2009 at 09:06 AM.
LOL it's obvious a lot of people here are fanboys (even if they deny it). Just give it up already and let the OP test drive both cars... we already know the pros/cons of each and the topic has been discussed/debated/beaten on over and over again. Both cars are roughly at the same level and priced fairly (MSRP) against each other.
The best way to go in my opinion is:
1.) test drive both
2.) pictures don't do justice, so at this point you should have figured out which styling you really like better... if you think both look fine to you... then go to step 3
3.) if you like the SST, get the RA... if you like the stick, get the WRX
4.) if you are undecided what you really want (SST vs. stick), then find the best deal you can get. Haggle your way for the best price and have both dealers compete for your business. Don't get suckered in by salesman tactics, be smart.
The best way to go in my opinion is:
1.) test drive both
2.) pictures don't do justice, so at this point you should have figured out which styling you really like better... if you think both look fine to you... then go to step 3
3.) if you like the SST, get the RA... if you like the stick, get the WRX
4.) if you are undecided what you really want (SST vs. stick), then find the best deal you can get. Haggle your way for the best price and have both dealers compete for your business. Don't get suckered in by salesman tactics, be smart.
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Damn I missed that part. He could always test drive the Evo and the STI as well, the price difference isn't that much once you've added some of the options to either the WRX or the Ralliart.
? The new WRX makes 265 HP. They've been making steady changes to the motor for years now. When the WRX was first introduced, it was a 2.0 L motor. This was ditched in 06 for a 2.5 L motor similar to that in the STI. It also got variable valve timing at this point although I think it was only on one valve type (intake or exhaust valves). In 2008, the engine was again a 2.5 L but this time the engine was essentially the Legacy motor. The intake system (intercooler) was like that in the Legacy and I believe the turbo manifold was like that in the Legacy. In 2009, the turbo system was changed to be essentially an STI turbo with Legacy attachment points. I think in either 2008 or 2009 the variable valve timing system was also modified to include all valves. I'm only taking into account the changes made that I know for sure happened, I wouldn't be surprised if the internals changed a bit as well from year to year.
As far as the transmission is concerned, this has changed over the years as well.
What you've essentially done is the equivalent of me saying that the engine in the Evo IX is the same as the engine in the Evo I because they're both 4G63. By your logic, the STI motor was superior since it was a brand new motor, not some "updated" unit from the late 80s, early 90s.
As far as the transmission is concerned, this has changed over the years as well.
What you've essentially done is the equivalent of me saying that the engine in the Evo IX is the same as the engine in the Evo I because they're both 4G63. By your logic, the STI motor was superior since it was a brand new motor, not some "updated" unit from the late 80s, early 90s.
between the EVo 1 and the Evo IX is more time and change happened then the WRX engine between 2006 and 2010...
The 4G63T even turned around in time
The 2.5 l WRX engine is a same design and engine from 2006 and 2010 even when it has upgrades on it like the dual valve control or different tune etc.
The 2.0l WRX engine is not a same as the 2.5l engine. The number is not a same either. Not to mention the STI 2.0l vs the STI 2.5L engine....
SO the the engine in the RA is not a same as the 2006 RA.
you can argue on this as long as you want it.
I wont
Dont care that much
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 17, 2009 at 09:19 AM.
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Several people (including myself) have suggested this... but OP insists on either the RA or WRX only.
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But RA has TC SST! Sorry I couldnt help myself and I really wanted to get to 50 posts.
It sure is funny how the "I can **** farther than you threads" go on ad nauseam (Its like people continue to believe that their 2 cents will finally settle all the worlds problems) <---- Mini Rant
Sorry I couldnt help myself and I really wanted to get to 50 posts.It sure is funny how the "I can **** farther than you threads" go on ad nauseam (Its like people continue to believe that their 2 cents will finally settle all the worlds problems) <---- Mini Rant
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But RA has TC SST! Sorry I couldnt help myself and I really wanted to get to 50 posts.
It sure is funny how the "I can **** farther than you threads" go on ad nauseam (Its like people continue to believe that their 2 cents will finally settle all the worlds problems) <---- Mini Rant
Sorry I couldnt help myself and I really wanted to get to 50 posts.It sure is funny how the "I can **** farther than you threads" go on ad nauseam (Its like people continue to believe that their 2 cents will finally settle all the worlds problems) <---- Mini Rant
