2011 RA New Options!!!
haven't you both overlooked something here? Why is the STi able to go with the 2.5L engine and still be considered a "rally" car, even if it is the street version. 2.0L is where it is limited. If they bumped up the RA for 2011 then why not bump up the engine size of the EVO to get an advantage over the STi? If you put that turbo on the 4B12 or even a newer engine of 2.4 or slightly larger, that'd get at least 330hp which would put hte evo in the lead again. It'd also give the RA more room to expand options-wise. Who cares if there is a moderate price increase if they upgrade/fix several of the current problems?
Just wait til mitsu comes out with the official press release. A lot of times manufacturers wait for a reason, like if they're waiting to hear about the 2011 mazdaspeed 3 or something similar. Maybe it's better than we expect? Maybe it's worse? Only time will tell
Just wait til mitsu comes out with the official press release. A lot of times manufacturers wait for a reason, like if they're waiting to hear about the 2011 mazdaspeed 3 or something similar. Maybe it's better than we expect? Maybe it's worse? Only time will tell
The JDM STi is 2.0 L, they upped the displacement for the NA market to account for our gas and to give it more low-end torque. Bigger displacement doesn't come for free and the Evo doesn't seem to have a problem without it.
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IMO, 2011 RA will never come =(
end of summer meaning around late June.
lets hope for the best !! GO MITSU!!
just a personal story here, I went down to a subaru dealer and their service totaly sucks!! the salesperson totally underestimate my buying capability, they're too proud of their WRX imprezas when I asked about financing, in short about service :
Mitsu > Suba
end of summer meaning around late June.
lets hope for the best !! GO MITSU!!
just a personal story here, I went down to a subaru dealer and their service totaly sucks!! the salesperson totally underestimate my buying capability, they're too proud of their WRX imprezas when I asked about financing, in short about service :
Mitsu > Suba
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I agree, I would buy the Evo as well but we have to face facts, we're not normal.
In the case of the WRX, it would definitely cost more than the price difference between it and the STI to bring it up to STI performance (all-around). You'd have to replace the entire drivetrain to get the 6-speed, the DCCD and the differentials, you'd need to open up the engine to replace the pistons and the cams and you'd need to put on Brembo brakes or a similar replacement. With wider fenders and a 5-speed, the Ralliart may not have the same issue. By all accounts, the block and head is the same as that in the Evo. Buying a replacement turbo and intercooler doesn't cost much and with the Evo's 5-speed, you could move to an FPGreen, FPRed, whatever without worry of destroying gears. The Ralliart already has limited slips front and rear and I suspect that if they do use the Evo's 5-speed, they'll give the Ralliart the Evo's front slip if they don't already. The center differential appears to be very similar as well. This leaves the rear differential which may be interchangeable but who knows on that one. Given the electronics behind it (yaw sensors), it could be a ***** to fit. This leaves the brakes that can be replaced with those from AMS or any other manufacturer. Without a direct comparison, it's hard to gauge exactly how this would work but it seems reasonable to say it would be very close. I think Mitsubishi is doing the right thing at the moment with the Ralliart in terms of keeping it distinctive and to essentially force people to step up to the Evo if they want Evo performance and Evo looks.
I agree completely with everything else you said, the Evo is an absolute beast on the track.
In the case of the WRX, it would definitely cost more than the price difference between it and the STI to bring it up to STI performance (all-around). You'd have to replace the entire drivetrain to get the 6-speed, the DCCD and the differentials, you'd need to open up the engine to replace the pistons and the cams and you'd need to put on Brembo brakes or a similar replacement. With wider fenders and a 5-speed, the Ralliart may not have the same issue. By all accounts, the block and head is the same as that in the Evo. Buying a replacement turbo and intercooler doesn't cost much and with the Evo's 5-speed, you could move to an FPGreen, FPRed, whatever without worry of destroying gears. The Ralliart already has limited slips front and rear and I suspect that if they do use the Evo's 5-speed, they'll give the Ralliart the Evo's front slip if they don't already. The center differential appears to be very similar as well. This leaves the rear differential which may be interchangeable but who knows on that one. Given the electronics behind it (yaw sensors), it could be a ***** to fit. This leaves the brakes that can be replaced with those from AMS or any other manufacturer. Without a direct comparison, it's hard to gauge exactly how this would work but it seems reasonable to say it would be very close. I think Mitsubishi is doing the right thing at the moment with the Ralliart in terms of keeping it distinctive and to essentially force people to step up to the Evo if they want Evo performance and Evo looks.
I agree completely with everything else you said, the Evo is an absolute beast on the track.
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I think it really depends on what you're looking for in a car. I have the X, sure it has a lot of power and handles great, etc. (mine is stock with a base tune). But really, if you just DD the car (with the occasional spirited drives), I think the Ralliart is a much better value than the X. However, if you want the the best performance on the track, the more aggressive look, and the Evo badge, the only thing that makes sense is to cough up the extra cash and buy an Evo.
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I think it really depends on what you're looking for in a car. I have the X, sure it has a lot of power and handles great, etc. (mine is stock with a base tune). But really, if you just DD the car (with the occasional spirited drives), I think the Ralliart is a much better value than the X. However, if you want the the best performance on the track, the more aggressive look, and the Evo badge, the only thing that makes sense is to cough up the extra cash and buy an Evo.
I just couldnt afford the X when I bought my Ralliart and it was a nice compromise. Gradually I will chip away at the car and make it my own, that will naturaly lean towards stocking it up with Evo parts and other goodies.
I doubt they'd use the Lancer's transmission since it's not rated for the power. The highest HP Lancer is what, 170 HP? That's about 70 HP short of what the Ralliart makes stock.
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ok guys i work for mitsubishi trust me i would love to see the RA come out and a manul trans in the ralliart but its not going to happen i have asked there are 3 cars coming out in next 3 yrs a cross over which is a smaller version of the outlander the an eletric car and a hybrid suv
Well if that's true, that doesn't sound very promising. They'll be a lot of current 
owners jumping ship for something else. If they don't keep up with what Subaru is doing or other companies they'll be left in the cold.
owners jumping ship for something else. If they don't keep up with what Subaru is doing or other companies they'll be left in the cold.
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I'm hoping to buy a Ralliart in the coming months, and been trying to figure out if i should go for it now (now that taxes are out of the way) or see if anything is going to change for the '11 model.
I'm not so much worried about a pure manual as i am about other potential updates. The biggest complaint i've seen in reviews are the tires.
Edmund's Inside Line did a comparison of the 09 Ralliart to the 09 WRX. They gave the Ralliart some different tires (some Potenza's- same as those on the MazdaSpeed3), and even worn they resulted in big gains in the skidpad and braking compared to the Ralliart's new OEM tires. Decent 225's would be a great way to update the car for '11.
I'd also like to know if the stock seats will still be Recaros, or if the leather buckets of the GTS will be available (more comfy for long drives).
-Fizz
I'm not so much worried about a pure manual as i am about other potential updates. The biggest complaint i've seen in reviews are the tires.
Edmund's Inside Line did a comparison of the 09 Ralliart to the 09 WRX. They gave the Ralliart some different tires (some Potenza's- same as those on the MazdaSpeed3), and even worn they resulted in big gains in the skidpad and braking compared to the Ralliart's new OEM tires. Decent 225's would be a great way to update the car for '11.
I'd also like to know if the stock seats will still be Recaros, or if the leather buckets of the GTS will be available (more comfy for long drives).
-Fizz
Have u driven on a long trip in a GTS with the leather seats? Not so comfy. I drove my GTS to Edmonton(about 14hrs if u drive the speed limit) in June and man was that horrible. I had the worst swack I've ever had and that was the most sore my back ever was after a car trip ever. I haven't taken the RA for more then a 4 hr trip and I tell u the Recaros are way more comfortable, for the wife and I at least.
Edit - I've done the drive to Edmonton at least a dozen times in the past in both my Grand-Am and my Si and was alot more comfy in the seats in both of them over my GTS.
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I'm hoping to buy a Ralliart in the coming months, and been trying to figure out if i should go for it now (now that taxes are out of the way) or see if anything is going to change for the '11 model.
I'm not so much worried about a pure manual as i am about other potential updates. The biggest complaint i've seen in reviews are the tires.
Edmund's Inside Line did a comparison of the 09 Ralliart to the 09 WRX. They gave the Ralliart some different tires (some Potenza's- same as those on the MazdaSpeed3), and even worn they resulted in big gains in the skidpad and braking compared to the Ralliart's new OEM tires. Decent 225's would be a great way to update the car for '11.
I'd also like to know if the stock seats will still be Recaros, or if the leather buckets of the GTS will be available (more comfy for long drives).
-Fizz
I'm not so much worried about a pure manual as i am about other potential updates. The biggest complaint i've seen in reviews are the tires.
Edmund's Inside Line did a comparison of the 09 Ralliart to the 09 WRX. They gave the Ralliart some different tires (some Potenza's- same as those on the MazdaSpeed3), and even worn they resulted in big gains in the skidpad and braking compared to the Ralliart's new OEM tires. Decent 225's would be a great way to update the car for '11.
I'd also like to know if the stock seats will still be Recaros, or if the leather buckets of the GTS will be available (more comfy for long drives).
-Fizz
if the tires are really ur concern, just resell them brand new for 500-600 ish and get some decent SPT or GT Exclaim .. OEM tires "costs" the same price as performance tires brand new .. so might be able to find other Lancer driver who "likes" the OEM tires ... at least thats how i sold my set ... 
In my experience, there isn't a chance in hell you can sell OEM tires for that kind of price unless they are truly exceptional (ie. tires on the Evo, tires on a Lotus, etc). Most people are not dumb enough to pay 150 a tire for the crappy OEM tires when for the same price they can buy something far superior.